I would not, could not, in the rain.
Not in the dark. Not on a train,
Not in a car, Not in a tree.
I won’t be vegan, Ark, you see.
Not in a house. Not in a box.
Not with a mouse. Not with a fox.
I won’t be vegan here or there.
I won’t be vegan anywhere!
During the week, when I was a kid red meat was something you found under the vegetables – if you were lucky!
I had not eaten steak until my late teens if memory serves?
At home we usually ate chicken or pork and if there was a roast on Sunday it was lamb.
The first time I went back to the UK with my (future) wife, we saw someone exit a butcher with a packet and Celeste jokingly remarked: ”Look, she just bought five pence mince.”
Making meat very expensive is a valid point. For us, however, (red) meat was already regarded as expensive.
It was one of the things I found quite surprising when I first came to South Africa: everyone I encountered at that stage were big meat eaters. A Braai (Barbecue) almost every weekend, usually with steaks that hung over the plate!
I had never heard of a ‘Steak House’ let alone been into one to eat!
As with many other things, making them prohibitive in one way or another often just increases the appeal/desire.
Tough topic ark/ not like ‘religion’ which gets tons of comments. But a question for you- please leave out the insults tho/
Do u think picking an apple from the tree is killing it so u can eat it? Remember, it is viable as long as it is connected. Proof? Rotten apples on the ground.
It is a long video so I don’t expect to get many views or comments. Nan, for one, I know will not watch any video. I accept this.
If you do watch the video, however, it will educate you about quite a number of things, some of which I did not know about.
Milk for example. Ideal for babies (of all mammals) who need such a nutritious food for that early growth spurt. But did you know it has low key addictive properties?
I didn’t, even though I almost never touch the stuff anymore.
But the dairy industry IS aware.
There is a concerted effort to indoctrinate us that milk is good for us! And yet 65% of Americans are lactose intolerant!
So humans aren’t built to consume milk long-term. But the US is one of the highest consumers of milk!
Maybe you can imagine what is done to help maintain this addiction?
Even if one is not interested in the ethics there are hundreds of health issues that one can disregard at one’s peril by consuming animal protein. And a great many people do.
Humans do not need animal protein, any more than a Gorilla does.
And you don’t see them dying of strokes or cholesterol induced heart attacks, or such like. Or mineral deficiencies claimed by experts through not eating meat! And yet a Gorilla has tons of muscle!
The old saying goes ’you catch more flies with honey by Han vinegar.’
While I can be both sweet and sour- you at least rose above and resisted the urge to unnecessarily lay the hammer down to someone with opposing views on many fronts.
Slight correction — I will watch some online videos. It greatly depends on the topic (and sometimes the speaker) — but also length. And it MUST have closed caption.
Another reason is that I really hate listening to narrators who go on and on and on about this, that, and the other thing before they ever get into the meat of the topic. At least with reading, I can skim over the part that bores me … or simply close the browser page and move on.
I’m not vegan, nor intend to be, but I do have favourite animal-free recipes – one that’s cooking right this minute – Greek brown lentil soup which slow cooked also includes garlic, onions, lemon juice, tomato pulp, a lot of olive oil, some water, bay leaves, oregano – delicious. Onion or carrot and spinach bhajis, rice pudding made with almond milk are other favourites.
I agree that adult humans probably do not need to drink cow’s milk, though the Maasai would be a bit put out if they couldn’t, along with many other traditional pastoralists for whom raw milk produce is an absolute staple. Apparently one of the problems with it as far as digestion is concerned is that processing and pasteurizing removes many vital nutritional assets so it is no longer truly a whole food. Also supermarkets have been known to recycle unsold milk, mixing it with fresh!!! And then many people of African descent tend to be lactose intolerant anyway. I think much depends on how traditional communities have evolved particular diets over thousands of years. In industrialized societies we simply think we can eat absolutely EVERYTHING and far too much of it. (I put my hand up for that too).
Ooh, Miss T!
I almost expected a ”So there!’ to finish. Did you stamp your foot after you typed that sentence?
At least you are prepared to meat vegans half way, it seems.
No foot stamping involved, Ark. We have vegan chums. People can choose what they feel best eating. I do admit that I’m not keen on the political slant that veganism is taking in some quarters however. The global elite/new world order want us eating fabricated fodder.
Ah … ”synthetic” meat.
I wonder why bother? To allay one’s conscience so as to still indulge one’s taste buds?
When I consider all the rubbish that’s put into meat, fish and dairy as it is I reckon I’ll steer clear of ‘lab grown’ if it’s all the same! Yuk!
Besides, if one is going to give up meat – and there are more than enough very good reasons to do so – why would you now want to eat the synthetic stuff?
When I gave up smoking I didn’t automatically look for synthetic fags as a substitute for goodness sake!
I agree totally. I also think the synthetic production is a lot about creating business opportunities – manufacturing a substance that people will learn to crave. It’s only ‘meat’ while they’re transitioning us from one mode of production to another. There will also be a huge push towards genetically modified crops as well, which unfortunately require large quantities of weed killer as part of the production process. The argument is that humanity can’t feed itself. This is not actually true, though there are problems with market access in many less infra-structure-developed countries.
All about positive re-education.
Tonight we had Caldo Verde, traditional Portuguese soup.
It is cabbage, potatoes and chorizo.
Obviously I did not have the meat in mine, but the cabbage is home grown, as are the potatoes and the bread was freshly baked.
It isn’t much, but it’s a start.
That sounds very delicious – both versions. Am thinking that eating locally grown food is also a good starting point for a re-think. But then for instance, UK poverty levels are pretty high (10 million in the 2018 UN report) and these were people with jobs (and before current job losses), and not the absolutely impoverished. Many households depend on food banks, which will tend towards offering processed food because that’s the easiest to donate, and so they don’t have the luxury to consider too much what they’re eating.
Going back to the lab ‘meat’, I’m not sure how it’s made, but have read media reports that it had extremely high glyphosate content.
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I would not, could not, in the rain.
Not in the dark. Not on a train,
Not in a car, Not in a tree.
I won’t be vegan, Ark, you see.
Not in a house. Not in a box.
Not with a mouse. Not with a fox.
I won’t be vegan here or there.
I won’t be vegan anywhere!
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You think that it’s choice,
Exercised by you and your ilk,
But there is addiction in play,
For why you drink milk,
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I don’t drink milk, Ark
Don’t crave it one bit
So what you’ve opined
Just doesn’t quite fit.
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This would be an easy issue to solve by just making meat incredibly expensive.
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During the week, when I was a kid red meat was something you found under the vegetables – if you were lucky!
I had not eaten steak until my late teens if memory serves?
At home we usually ate chicken or pork and if there was a roast on Sunday it was lamb.
The first time I went back to the UK with my (future) wife, we saw someone exit a butcher with a packet and Celeste jokingly remarked: ”Look, she just bought five pence mince.”
Making meat very expensive is a valid point. For us, however, (red) meat was already regarded as expensive.
It was one of the things I found quite surprising when I first came to South Africa: everyone I encountered at that stage were big meat eaters. A Braai (Barbecue) almost every weekend, usually with steaks that hung over the plate!
I had never heard of a ‘Steak House’ let alone been into one to eat!
As with many other things, making them prohibitive in one way or another often just increases the appeal/desire.
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Tough topic ark/ not like ‘religion’ which gets tons of comments. But a question for you- please leave out the insults tho/
Do u think picking an apple from the tree is killing it so u can eat it? Remember, it is viable as long as it is connected. Proof? Rotten apples on the ground.
Tkx in advance.
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It is a long video so I don’t expect to get many views or comments. Nan, for one, I know will not watch any video. I accept this.
If you do watch the video, however, it will educate you about quite a number of things, some of which I did not know about.
Milk for example. Ideal for babies (of all mammals) who need such a nutritious food for that early growth spurt. But did you know it has low key addictive properties?
I didn’t, even though I almost never touch the stuff anymore.
But the dairy industry IS aware.
There is a concerted effort to indoctrinate us that milk is good for us! And yet 65% of Americans are lactose intolerant!
So humans aren’t built to consume milk long-term. But the US is one of the highest consumers of milk!
Maybe you can imagine what is done to help maintain this addiction?
Even if one is not interested in the ethics there are hundreds of health issues that one can disregard at one’s peril by consuming animal protein. And a great many people do.
Humans do not need animal protein, any more than a Gorilla does.
And you don’t see them dying of strokes or cholesterol induced heart attacks, or such like. Or mineral deficiencies claimed by experts through not eating meat! And yet a Gorilla has tons of muscle!
It isn’t rocket science.
No, as fruit does not have a nervous system.
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The old saying goes ’you catch more flies with honey by Han vinegar.’
While I can be both sweet and sour- you at least rose above and resisted the urge to unnecessarily lay the hammer down to someone with opposing views on many fronts.
You answered the question, and more- well done.
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Slight correction — I will watch some online videos. It greatly depends on the topic (and sometimes the speaker) — but also length. And it MUST have closed caption.
Another reason is that I really hate listening to narrators who go on and on and on about this, that, and the other thing before they ever get into the meat of the topic. At least with reading, I can skim over the part that bores me … or simply close the browser page and move on.
To each his own, as they say. 😉
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Correction Noted.
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I’m not vegan, nor intend to be, but I do have favourite animal-free recipes – one that’s cooking right this minute – Greek brown lentil soup which slow cooked also includes garlic, onions, lemon juice, tomato pulp, a lot of olive oil, some water, bay leaves, oregano – delicious. Onion or carrot and spinach bhajis, rice pudding made with almond milk are other favourites.
I agree that adult humans probably do not need to drink cow’s milk, though the Maasai would be a bit put out if they couldn’t, along with many other traditional pastoralists for whom raw milk produce is an absolute staple. Apparently one of the problems with it as far as digestion is concerned is that processing and pasteurizing removes many vital nutritional assets so it is no longer truly a whole food. Also supermarkets have been known to recycle unsold milk, mixing it with fresh!!! And then many people of African descent tend to be lactose intolerant anyway. I think much depends on how traditional communities have evolved particular diets over thousands of years. In industrialized societies we simply think we can eat absolutely EVERYTHING and far too much of it. (I put my hand up for that too).
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Ooh, Miss T!
I almost expected a ”So there!’ to finish. Did you stamp your foot after you typed that sentence?
At least you are prepared to meat vegans half way, it seems.
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No foot stamping involved, Ark. We have vegan chums. People can choose what they feel best eating. I do admit that I’m not keen on the political slant that veganism is taking in some quarters however. The global elite/new world order want us eating fabricated fodder.
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”Fabricated fodder” Never heard that term.
What is it in reference to?
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My term for synthetic lab grown meat as per Mr Gates’ current investment plan: https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliviergarret/2020/09/10/why-bill-gates-is-betting-millions-on-synthetic-biology/
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Ah … ”synthetic” meat.
I wonder why bother? To allay one’s conscience so as to still indulge one’s taste buds?
When I consider all the rubbish that’s put into meat, fish and dairy as it is I reckon I’ll steer clear of ‘lab grown’ if it’s all the same! Yuk!
Besides, if one is going to give up meat – and there are more than enough very good reasons to do so – why would you now want to eat the synthetic stuff?
When I gave up smoking I didn’t automatically look for synthetic fags as a substitute for goodness sake!
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I agree totally. I also think the synthetic production is a lot about creating business opportunities – manufacturing a substance that people will learn to crave. It’s only ‘meat’ while they’re transitioning us from one mode of production to another. There will also be a huge push towards genetically modified crops as well, which unfortunately require large quantities of weed killer as part of the production process. The argument is that humanity can’t feed itself. This is not actually true, though there are problems with market access in many less infra-structure-developed countries.
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All about positive re-education.
Tonight we had Caldo Verde, traditional Portuguese soup.
It is cabbage, potatoes and chorizo.
Obviously I did not have the meat in mine, but the cabbage is home grown, as are the potatoes and the bread was freshly baked.
It isn’t much, but it’s a start.
LikeLiked by 1 person
That sounds very delicious – both versions. Am thinking that eating locally grown food is also a good starting point for a re-think. But then for instance, UK poverty levels are pretty high (10 million in the 2018 UN report) and these were people with jobs (and before current job losses), and not the absolutely impoverished. Many households depend on food banks, which will tend towards offering processed food because that’s the easiest to donate, and so they don’t have the luxury to consider too much what they’re eating.
Going back to the lab ‘meat’, I’m not sure how it’s made, but have read media reports that it had extremely high glyphosate content.
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