Was Jesus a Christian- Part 3

In Part 2 I looked at David Robertson’s assertion that Jesus would have believed biblical characters and events such As Adam and Eve and Noah and the Flood because , according to Robertson, they are/were real people events.

Robertson, as we know, is an evangelical and as Nan pointed out –

As for the “real events” you asked about … to the evangelical Christian, most definitely YES! They are accepted as genuine people and events. 

According to Pew, Evangelical Christians make up only around 8% of the global total. (Though they make up 25.4 % of US Christians which is somewhat disconcerting!)

I am not going to bother exploring all the nuances of evangelical Christianity or the myriad of other semantic word games they play, as this is not the point of this post.

What I want to consider is the position of those Christians, and especially professional Christians (ministers etc), who accept evolution as fact, have also accepted scientific and archaeological evidence and regard some of the key biblical tales, namely Adam and Eve, Noah and the Global Flood and to a lessor extent, Moses and the Exodus, as foundational myths.

If these supposed enlightened proponents of the Christian faith who stand in pulpits week in and week out ( or preach via podcast or Zoom if they are mindful of Covid restrictions) and preach that Jesus is God, how do they deal with the knowledge that their lord and saviour firmly believed, like Robertson and his evangelical ilk, the biblical tales of Adam and Eve, Noah, Moses et al were about real people and real events?

Ark.


150 thoughts on “Was Jesus a Christian- Part 3

    1. you can only find Love, Absolute Truth, and Natural Law within The Church.

      you attacking heretics like other protestants is because protestantism was only ever supposed to be a precursor to your modern, heathenistic (government-worshiping) satanism. therefore you are angry at the ones that did not “progress” to the self-destructive stage of your ploy.

      you do accuse your enemies of what you are guilty of though.

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  1. Evangelicals are and must be Janus-faced. And they’re good with that hypocrisy. In the name of honouring Jesus, every vice becomes a virtue by necessity. As a bonus, such hypocritical belief allows one to abdicate all moral and ethical responsibility by passing this hypocrisy along to ‘Jesus’. See? Easy peasy. Belief alone – not truth, not character, not integrity, not reason, nor any nod to their importance – is everything.

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  2. Ah, as a fictional character whose very existence is based upon scripture, aka the Hebrew Bible, it would make no sense having Jesus throw shade upon the scriptures Jesus needs to be accepted to account for his existence. WTF?

    So, this moron can tell us why Jesus thought what he thought. Amazing! I can’t think of any other fictional character which has had its mind read, can you? Where do they get these guys. Apparently the priestly class has been scraping the bottom of the barrel for a long, long time.

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    1. Christ is God, and your denial of God is ritualisitc. God found us, and God has spoken.

      No “reading minds” necessary, as you are not God and so therefore no one cares what an old sexual sinner thinks, but God is God.

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  3. Hmm. Let me put my liberal christian hat back on and see if I can rationalize this. Well, even if Jesus knew that these stories were just myths, he was talking to a population of people who thought they were real. And one rule for communicating is that you need to reach people where they are. So speaking as if those characters were real would have resonated with his audience. Because he was just the bestest communicator ever.

    (Eeuch, I need to take that hat back off again pronto. It’s almost painful to try to go back to that stuff.)

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    1. So, in effect are you suggesting that the more enlightened members of the theological profession believe that Jesus must have known these tales were fiction/myth?

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      1. No idea, you’d have to ask them.

        I do remember, from my churchgoing days days long ago, that the pastors at the church I attended were specifically not literalists, so anything awkward or contradictory could be dismissed as a metaphor, or Jeebus speaking to people in the way that they would understand, or some such. It might not have been an intellectually rigorous approach, but it was a much nicer place to be than Fundie church. No hellfire and damnation, no trying to pretend that just-so stories are actual history, but lots of potlucks and singing songs about love.

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          1. Beginning your pitch with threats is really bad salesmanship. As is starting with unjustified accusations and insults, as you do in your other comments. You are going to fail to sell your product every time.

            If there is someone reading these comments who has been thinking about leaving their church, but is still on the fence about it, your assholery is likely to finish the job and push them right out of religion. And if your religion turns out to be true, they will go to hell and it will be all your fault!

            If you are wanting to bring people to Jeesuz, you are failing miserably. Seriously, get back on your meds, and then go rethink your strategy.

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          2. No, them going to hell is on them (and any Parent or Priest that encouraged them or did nothing to teach them The Faith).

            you are using the mortal sin of despair here. that doesn’t damn me in your place but it does kill your soul outright.

            I am simply Speaking Love, Absolute Truth, and Natural Law and Speaking from Magisterium, Sacred Tradition, and Scripture. I am also here to Admonish the sinner, Council the doubtful, and Instruct the ignorant. Don’t think I don’t notice your soviet execution tactic there by calling me insane and needing to be locked up simply for doing the above.

            YOU WOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR sin IF YOU HEARD OF GOD OR NOT! Trying to Martyr me in effigy of God in the hopes of making your shame over sin go away leads immediately to suicide. That is step 4 and 5 of the reprobate.

            you are evil beyond measure and hell is still Eternal (always will be, which even you could figure out -if you’d be honest- just by the descriptor “Eternal”).

            if someone is averting from God, then they are already possessed and damned. their sexual sin (it’s ALWAYS sexual sin) has driven them mad and they are too weak to even admit they are wrong. Why?

            Easy, and it’s the same reason you worship evil: fear of evil leads you to worship evil.

            you begin with the capital sin of pride (spiritual pride), which is the delusion that your wishful thinking allows you to steal Divine Will. evil is stronger than the weak, but nothing compared to the strong, and spiritual pride is the greatest weakness. the weak then think evil is “all-powerful” simply because it is stronger than them, all because they refuse to get rid of the delusion that they are “greater” than God simply because of a bad though they aren’t smart enough or strong enough to get rid of. therefore they think evil is “stronger” than God simply because it is stronger than them, when in reality evil is just an absence; a malfunction of a dying soul as it rots away.

            cliffnotes version:
            1) you are diseased by the devil’s last moments (original sin) making you think “ye will be like gods” for some reason.
            2) you fall victim to sin (the more pathetic the more likely it is to make you go reprobate)
            3) the more you fall to pain and degredation/humiliation by sin, the more your “godhood” is refuted.
            4) you begin to worship evil as a rationalization, claiming that you are still “like gods” but that evil is just stronger.
            5) you attack God and His Church because you want God and His Church to strike you down and send you to hell before you can make your sentence even worse.

            I don’t strike people down yet, I have to let you have enough rope before I use it to hang all of you all at once.

            God to St Catherine Of Sienna The Seraphic Virgin once more:
            “Do you know dearest daughter, how I raise the soul out of her imperfections? Sometimes I vex her with evil thoughts and a sterile mind. It will seem to her that I have left her completely, without any feeling whatever. She does not seem to be in the world, because she is in fact not there; nor does she seem to be in me because she has no feeling at all other than that her will does not want sin. I do not allow enemies to open the gate of the will that is free. I do let the devils and other enemies of humankind beat against other gates, but not against this, which is the main gate guarding the city of the soul. I do not will the soul’s death as long as she is not so stupid as to open the gate of her will. They cannot enter unless her own will chooses to let them in.”

            Again, spaced to make it easier for you to read even with your dissociation:
            “I do not allow enemies to open the gate of the will that is free. I do let the devils and other enemies of humankind beat against other gates, but not against this, which is the main gate guarding the city of the soul.

            I do not will the soul’s death as long as she is not so stupid as to open the gate of her will.

            They cannot enter unless her own will chooses to let them in.”

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          3. Wall of irrelevant text = nobody reads it = bad salesmanship.

            Starting with talk of hell and random insults = failure to connect with your audience = bad salesmanship.

            If Satan actually existed, I expect he would delight in preachers that do such a terrible job of salesmanship that they push people away from belief. Until you learn to do a better job at this, you’re just letting yourself be a tool of Satan.

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          4. there you go again, evil incarnate, capitalizing the name of your “dark master” who isn’t actually worth anything no matter how hard you worship. more despair too and more blasphemy.

            From God to St Catherine of Sienna about you:
            “I do not allow enemies to open the gate of the will that is free. I do let the devils and other enemies of humankind beat against other gates, but not against this, which is the main gate guarding the city of the soul.

            I do not will the soul’s death as long as she is not so stupid as to open the gate of her will.

            They cannot enter unless her own will chooses to let them in.”

            I am not selling anything. you were allowed to be born here instead of directly in hell to allow you a chance to Repent. Should you prove you are unable or unwilling, then you have no reason to be here.

            fear of evil leads you to worship evil. you begin with the capital sin of pride (spiritual pride), which is the delusion that your wishful thinking allows you to steal Divine Will. evil is stronger than the weak, but nothing compared to the strong, and spiritual pride is the greatest weakness. the weak then think evil is “all-powerful” simply because it is stronger than them, all because they refuse to get rid of the delusion that they are “greater” than God simply because of a bad though they aren’t smart enough or strong enough to get rid of. therefore they think evil is “stronger” than God simply because it is stronger than them, when in reality evil is just an absence; a malfunction of a dying soul as it rots away.

            Sáncte Míchael Archángele,
            defénde nos in proélio,
            cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium.
            Ímperet ílli Déus,
            súpplices deprecámur:
            tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis,
            sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos,
            qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo,
            Divína virtúte,
            in inférnum detrúde.
            Ámen.

            Crux Sacra Sit Mihi Lux
            Non Draco Sit Mihi Dux
            Sunt Mala Quae Libas
            Ipse Venena Biba!
            Vade Retro satana
            Nunquam Suade Mihi Vana
            Amen

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          5. hell is complete, total separation from God. it begins on earth.

            it’s is own little universe God made where God leaves locked up into itself somewhere not connected to anything else.

            you were allowed to be born here instead of directly in hell to allow you to Repent.

            that you were allowed to live this long despite your reprobate mind means you still have the opportunity and capability to Repent. had you not, you’d have turned out like the other hippies who died young by drugs and etc.

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          6. From God to St Catherine of Sienna about you:
            “I do not allow enemies to open the gate of the will that is free. I do let the devils and other enemies of humankind beat against other gates, but not against this, which is the main gate guarding the city of the soul.

            I do not will the soul’s death as long as she is not so stupid as to open the gate of her will.

            They cannot enter unless her own will chooses to let them in.”

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          7. St Catherine of Sienna, The Seraphic Virgin. A REAL Woman.

            I’ll quote from another message elsewhere here:
            “dissociation is still not refutation, and you would be ashamed over sin even if you never heard of God. ALL contingency (and you can ONLY study or observe contingency) necessitates and is based in The Uncontingent.

            for this reason, all thought is based in axioms and axioms HAVE to be unprovable. therefore, like all things hitchens said, these are “stupid/idiotic/imbecilic statements” which means they refute themselves not only by reality (like all falsehood does) but even by their own incoherent / inchoate standards.

            you then use a second “stupid/idiotic/imbecilic statement” by implying empiricism is the only valid thought. No. empiricism is not even thought and can’t be used to “prove” itself. what’s worse that you employing tautology and implying non-thought is the only thought (If I recall, you were the one I told that had no capability to thinking earlier), is that you are USING A PHILOSOPHICAL ARGUMENT TO CLAIM EMPIRICISM IS THE ONLY THOUGHT.”

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          8. Another wall of crazy irrelevant text = nobody reads it = bad salesmanship.

            Writing in a dead language that most of the other commenters won’t understand = nobody reads it = bad salesmanship.

            You keep reminding us why we’re so happy to be out of religion. If your product makes people act like you are acting, I’m never buying it.

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          9. Not selling anything, just informing you of the cliff you are running towards in the vain hope God or I will somehow carry your bulbous ass to Heaven for you.

            Not only is that not possible for anyone to bring you into The Church and to Salvation but yourself, God decides if you are worthy to Convert at all. God opens the door and you go in on your own or not.

            What if there is no open door?

            Oh, that’s the silly part. THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION WAS THAT OPEN DOOR. I don’t want to do it, but I can close it; one of my abilities. I won’t though, I think it increases your suffering for you to just see it there open with no impediment, and you are just to chicken-s to do anything about it.

            Contrition, Conversion, Confession, Penance, and Repentance. Only then would you get Forgiveness.

            you’ll be ashamed of your sin no matter if you heard of God or not. it’s the Natural Response to doing the unnatural.

            your parents abused you by raising you in a heresy, but not by exposing you to God. you abused yourself by sexual sin.

            Come Home.

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          10. Well, Nigel does, certainly. I reckon we’re okay providing we talk quietly and don’t make any loud noises.

            How’s things up north in your neck of the woods Senor Noel?

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          11. Since I stopped following the news, I am oblivious to the goings on around here. There is a bit of political noise to amend the constitution. We are in still some kind of movement restrictions till January.
            And my brother will be ordained soon as a priest. I may take photos of the event.

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    2. What your protestant antichrists who sang about eroticism did not understand, is that Christ is mentioned all over The Old Testament as a Promise which is Fulfilled by Christ Himself and His Church. you took out all those mentions because protestants were simply created to worship the state (which is why you sexual sinners abandoned the nominal Christianity but went all in to the state-worship).

      As for why even this milquetoast satanism is painful to you, because Virtue makes vice uncomfortable. so far gone are you that even true evil like you speak here is still too close to reminding you that you have wronged God.

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    1. But Collins is evangelical. albeit reformed or deformed or nuanced or whatever he considers he is.

      When you say dismiss as harmless, in what way?

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        1. what “religion” specifically, as that term is too broad to mean ANYTHING. The Church Created the sciences though, and they cannot exist without The Church present, as you have sadly proven by turning its corpse into a costume for pantheism.

          Not at all. modern pseudoscience accepts as “theory” ANY gnostic dogma they can hide behind pseudoscience. when questioned you begin with character assassination and then try to end with literal assassination. this is why gnostics like you *pretend* to be scientific, but drop it to wail and gnash your teeth any time some real science accidentally slips through.

          Literary and Poetic are two senses of Scripture. there are two others and one final one, can you name them?

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          1. Pretty sure the Thaïs Bone predates all modern religions by about 12,000 years, and it is the first object we can presently point to and say, “Someone was practicing science.”

            So, no. Religion did not invent science.

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          2. No, “religion” did not, The Catholic Church did. also, the carbon you use to date things didn’t exist on earth until 5000-5500 years ago when it crashed into earth from elsewhere.

            The Church created the sciences, and the sciences cannot be justified outside of the Church.

            This is because the foundational statements of the sciences are:
            1) the earth is not Divine
            2) all is intelligible

            Since we know God is ipsum esse subsistens, therefore we know that God is not in creation as He is uncreated and uncontingent. We can only study through observing contingency, and therefore meaning we can only study other created, contingent things like us. That God is not in His creation as a created thing means that we can study all of creation.

            That we can know things from creation is that we have the same creator and therefore can know things about the stars as we can about ourselves. Technically all material things are siblings to us, far lesser siblings but siblings nonetheless.

            The Church created the term “evolution” originally to mean how things change over time by watching God work before us in real time. This feeds back into God being ipsum esse subsistens (the subsistent act of “to be” itself) as God is so above and outside His creation that we may only know of him by the interaction of His paintbrush on our universe.

            That man is Made in the Image of God comes to us by implicit knowledge of God and that we are not made for this world as we are far greater than it. Not to mention God informing this to Moses during their meetings in the tent; Moses’ book containing this information is the Book of Genesis.

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          3. So, is this you having some kind of cardiac “event” you are having because I not only proved my case without any uncertainty (all I had to do was speak base Historical fact just like one of the senses of Scripture does), or are you dredging into the old soviet tactic of trying to mark me for execution by claiming speaking Love, Absolute Truth, and Natural Law is “paranoia” “schitzophrenia” “derrangement” “delusion,”

            you do this reflectively, just like damned one ark does, though he has other evils besides his totalitarian murder and dehumanization streak.

            did you know the devil’s century ended in 2017 no matter what? when we are done with you, the mental hospitals will come back, and you will be dealt with severely. I can’t think of worse people to have such Good things happen to them (to do Good would mean what is Rightly Ordered but also to destroy evil and prevent evil from ever happening again).

            that is assuming you don’t “outlive” usefulness to your coven… sorry you call them “parties” now,,, first.

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  4. how do they deal with the knowledge that their lord and saviour firmly believed, like Robertson and his evangelical ilk, the biblical tales of Adam and Eve, Noah, Moses et al were about real people and real events?

    This, of course, follows from the inerrancy of scripture.

    The most inerrant part of scripture is what people make up and read into it. But there isn’t any basis in scripture for the idea that Jesus firmly believed in Adam and Eve. Yes, he mentioned them (according to the hearsay reports in the gospels). But people often mention fictional characters from literature. It is called “literary allusion”.

    Apparently, Christians believe that Jesus was a mindless mechanical robot, completely incapable of literary allusion. At the same time, they believe he was fully human. Embracing absurd contradictions seems to be a Christian thing.

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      1. denigrating God as mere man as you are (of which you project all your sins onto Him out of the attempt to somehow damn Him in your place) will not make “ye be like gods,” child abuser.

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      1. you’re too old to court hell, you’ll get it.

        The Old Testament was Written by Prophets of the Old Covenant. The New Testament was Written by The Last Prophets of the Old Covenant and The First Bishops of The New AND Eternal Covenant.

        sniveling The Inspiration Of God to His own Adopted Sons as “heresay” won’t make your shame over sin go away. shame is the natural response to you doing the unnatural and you would be ashamed if you heard of God or not.

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          1. @Nan
            I’m sorry , Nan but it’s your own fault. You got too close to the bars. Did you not see the sign wired to the front of Nigel’s cage?

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          2. the greatest pain of hell is knowing you have wronged God and won’t see Him again, I would worry more about that than me hurting the feelings of an old hippie.

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    1. I’m not sure I agree with the assessment that there is no basis for the idea in scripture, because the gospel writers state that Jesus was standing transfigured on a mountain with Moses and Elijah (Mt. 17:1-8, Mk 9:2-8, Lk 9:28-36)

      And how can one lend a figurative interpretation to “If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me” (John 5:46)? Or “As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man” (Matthew 24:37)?

      It would be the equivalent of saying “If you believed Kyle Reese you would believe in me because he was sent from the future to protect my mother, Sarah Conner.” and “As it was in the Age of Republic, so it will be in the Age of Resistance.”

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      1. @ Ron
        Excellent observations, Senor Ron,

        Are we to conclude then, that even the smiley-faced progressive purveyors of perdition are punting perfidious postulations in pursuit of profits rather than prophets?

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        1. The purveyors of pecuniary prosperity positively practice prevarication for profit, but parsons (like David) probably propagate puerile preachments prompted purely by profound passion.

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          1. I’ll wager you had a delightful time dabbling with your dictionary while deliberating how diverse you could demonstrate the dichotomy between disbelief and devotion. …. didn’t you?

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      2. you always jump into pop culture, because it is designed to brainwash. that you then try to put pop culture over cutlure or call them equal is both mentally ill and satanic. sadly, you show you are both.

        Here, From Venerable Fulton Sheen to you:
        “Humanity might well pause in these days when the hot flames of hell, by a peculiar paradox, fan a cold war of hate. Digging deeper than politics and economics, what is the path modern man is taking? Without knowing it, he has, in practice, accepted the dictum of Nietzsche: “God is dead.” This death of God is not a physical demise, due to such things as nailing Him to a gibbet; it is much less dramatic. It means simply that the idea of God has disappeared among men. He is only a name, a “survival,” “a remnant” of other days, according to some misbehaviorists. “God is dead” means He can be ignored, as one ignores the necessity of a horse and buggy for transportation because the automobile has taken its place. The new vehicle for progress is “humanity.”

        Atheism has moved from the intellectual plane, where it was in the last century, to the existential plane; from the level of proving atheism to the living it; from the nonexistence of God to the existence of humanity. Atheism posits a new god, namely, Man. The position of Marx and Engels, the founders of Communism, is that man has transferred to God qualities and attributes which really belong to him, such as knowing all things, possessing power to do all things, unlimited compassion, unbounded love and torrential mercy. Man, they continue, has destroyed his nature by this transfer of attributes to God; thus he emptied himself. The only way he can ever be himself is to take back those titles which really belong to him. Then will be ushered into the world that humanism in which Man is God and not mere man. Atheism then becomes not the denial of God, but the affirmation of Man. Marx wrote at the end of his thesis for a Ph.D., “I hate all the gods, and I hate them because they do not recognize Man as Supreme Divinity.”

        Official atheism, such as was put into practice in Marxism, implies an entirely new concept of truth. For those who believe in God, truth is conformity a) with the objective, natural order, revealed in the universe and in conscience, and b) ultimately with the Mind that made it. For example, my idea of a rose corresponds to a certain type of flower in the physical order. I do not say, “My idea of a rose is an elephant.” In the ultimate analysis, just as a statue corresponds to an idea or plan existing in the mind of the sculptor, so every rose, tree, bird and stone corresponds to an idea existing in the Mind of God. Deny God, and what is truth? Truth, under atheism, is correspondence or agreement with an idea existing in the mind of the Marxist Party. Reality must correspond to the archetypal ideas existing in the mind of the humanist planners. Black is white and white is black; day is night and night is day. As Marx said, every idea is “true” which furthers the Communist Revolution, and false which hinders it.

        This explains why Communist leaders appear to be so good and democratic and freedom loving one day, and so cantankerous, deceitful and full of lies another day. Both tactics are “true.” There is no objective standard of truth. Revolution alone is truth. (Members of the United Nations please take notice!)

        In the face of a kind of atheism that does not prove itself, all the intellectual arguments in the world for theism lack the power to convince. If a balloon were conscious, it would be pretty hard for a vacuum to induce it to deflate itself. Man who is god does not want to be man. He likes the beautiful irresponsibility of his excesses; he loves to hear the word compulsion to explain away his alcoholism. What then will convince the atheist and humanist of today that he is not the lord and sovereign of the universe?

        One thing which atheism brings is chaos. Sociologists and psychologists, politicians and historians would do well to read the first chapter of Paul’s Letter to the Romans for the consequences of human pride. We quote it not, in the hope that the reader will pursue it himself. It may sharpen his curiosity if he is told that the explanation of homosexuality and juvenile delinquency is recorded therein. Our troubles are not really outside us; they are within us. Nothing happens in the world that does not first happen in human hearts.”

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        1. As to your charges:

          1. I reference pop culture in the same way that theists reference the stories within their holy books. And you seem to forget that the same people who wrote those holy books are the ones who now write Hollywood screenplays So . . . hello pot, meet kettle.

          2. The words ‘theism’ and ‘atheism’ define one’s position on one particular topic” whether or not you believe in gods. Nothing more, nothing less.

          3. The notion that atheists universally gravitate towards communism is refuted by all the atheists who adopt other political ideologies. For every atheist spouting Karl Marx, there’s an equal number of atheists championing free market capitalism.

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          1. you have no problem with pagan “gods,” who are demons. in fact, you base your life 1:1 on what the devil wants and even do the satanist thing where they deny the devil exists despite having murdered a child in a hex a few minutes earlier (I assume you go to “clinics” for those now).

            ron, evil incarnate in all it’s milquetoast, total lack of Glory: the essay from Venerable Fulton Sheen that I “quoted” in full (I just posted the whole thing because it is short) answers your sneers in full here.

            To continue, atheism is a religion posing as a political movement created by satanist and freemason feuerbach in the early 1800’s. this was popularized by feuerbach’s direct student and mentee karl marx, who applied this “athiesm” to politics and to business. neitzche, also a student of feuerbach, then applied it to philosophy. freud, who was too young and poor to be tutored by feuerbach, but who was inspired by marx and neitzche, applied this religion to culture and reinforced pseudoscience with “psychology.”

            this tendril of gnosticism of yours seeks to dupe sexualy sinful white people to try to destroy the Foundation of Civilization, which is The Church. the adherents don’t know what they believe or why, they just attack, and this is by design; how could you be refuted if you don’t even know I am refuting your views you hold but do not consciously recognize you have?

            you don’t know what you believe or what drives you, proving my point. you cannot admit it to yourself.

            dissociation is not refutation though. you have nothing to add here, so don’t respond.

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          2. Since you like quotes, I’ll return the favor by responding with a quote of my own from the Venerable Principle in Billy Madison:

            What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

            If, by definition, I don’t believe in any gods, why would I worship pagan gods? If I don’t believe in the devil, why would I practice Satanism? If I profess no belief in gods, attend no churches and follow no creeds, how do I practice a religion? If I denounce Marxism, how can I be a communist?

            If you want to have productive conversations with others, asking questions and listening to the response would serve you better than leveling blanket accusations and ignoring what you are being told.

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          3. So you capitalize the name of your dark master? Out of the few thousand (I don’t want to say over 10,000 as that would just be depressing with all the time wasted on those who deserve to die and were marked as such by God), I never met one atheist that didn’t do that.

            The answer to all is simple: *I know you by your fruits.* your beliefs and actions are 1:1 that of any common devil worshiper. all occultists are like this, but you damned yourself without need to dupe you into damning your soul by witchcraft.

            Like I said:
            “the adherents don’t know what they believe or why, they just attack, and this is by design; how could you be refuted if you don’t even know I am refuting your views you hold but do not consciously recognize you have? you don’t know what you believe or what drives you, proving my point. you cannot admit it to yourself.”

            you aren’t a reliable witness to your own position as you affirm what you deny and deny what you affirm. As Venerable Fulton Sheen said (atheists get REALLY frightened when I quote this too): “NEVER pay attention to what someone says, only why they say it.”

            So, like I said, where you thought trying the “dissociation as refutation” shtick twice in a row even after I called it out:
            “atheism is a religion posing as a political movement created by satanist and freemason feuerbach in the early 1800’s. this was popularized by feuerbach’s direct student and mentee karl marx, who applied this “athiesm” to politics and to business. neitzche, also a student of feuerbach, then applied it to philosophy. freud, who was too young and poor to be tutored by feuerbach, but who was inspired by marx and neitzche, applied this religion to culture and reinforced pseudoscience with “psychology.””

            My quotes are meant to give you ideas directly from both my Teacher and one of the smartest and holiest men to ever live (if not #1 he’s in the top 5 if not top 3). In other words, I am practicing The Spiritual Works of Mercy, specifically the first 3: Admonish the sinner, Council the doubtful, Instruct the Ignorant.

            The First is the most important but requires testicular fortitude clearly lacking from those of this age.

            The Second is available, but I see only vicious members of a counter-religion that has to constantly attack because they have no Substance, no actual doubt.

            The Third is easily done, but members of a vicious counter-religion who can’t keep it in their pants long enough to learn gets in the way. your kind uses every Catholic they meet as a punching bag, thinking it will make your shame over sin go away. no, you’d be ashamed no matter what. I really could have helped you, but you gave me a taste of blood and you shouldn’t have done that if you want to just play games.

            Here is one from God to St Catherine Of Sienna The Seraphic Virgin:
            “Do you know dearest daughter, how I raise the soul out of her imperfections? Sometimes I vex her with evil thoughts and a sterile mind. It will seem to her that I have left her completely, without any feeling whatever. She does not seem to be in the world, because she is in fact not there; nor does she seem to be in me because she has no feeling at all other than that her will does not want sin. I do not allow enemies to open the gate of the will that is free. I do let the devils and other enemies of humankind beat against other gates, but not against this, which is the main gate guarding the city of the soul. I do not will the soul’s death as long as she is not so stupid as to open the gate of her will. They cannot enter unless her own will chooses to let them in.”

            Pay attention to those last two sentences, it is why God left you to be self-destructive like this. We Are Delivered, THANK GOD!

            hell begins on earth and here is being in the presence of those damned (“perdere,” lit. “marked for death”), anywhere where the marked (reprobates) go is hell until the lake of fire is closed.

            So, once more with finality:
            Contrition, Conversion, Confession, Penance, Repentance, Forgiveness.

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          4. What is with the formatting here? let me try again

            So you capitalize the name of your dark master? Out of the few thousand (I don’t want to say over 10,000 as that would just be depressing with all the time wasted on those who deserve to die and were marked as such by God), I never met one atheist that didn’t do that.

            The answer to all is simple: *I know you by your fruits.* your beliefs and actions are 1:1 that of any common devil worshiper. all occultists are like this, but you damned yourself without need to dupe you into damning your soul by witchcraft.

            Like I said:
            “the adherents don’t know what they believe or why, they just attack, and this is by design; how could you be refuted if you don’t even know I am refuting your views you hold but do not consciously recognize you have? you don’t know what you believe or what drives you, proving my point. you cannot admit it to yourself.”

            you aren’t a reliable witness to your own position as you affirm what you deny and deny what you affirm. As Venerable Fulton Sheen said (atheists get REALLY frightened when I quote this too): “NEVER pay attention to what someone says, only why they say it.”

            So, like I said, where you thought trying the “dissociation as refutation” shtick twice in a row even after I called it out:
            “atheism is a religion posing as a political movement created by satanist and freemason feuerbach in the early 1800’s. this was popularized by feuerbach’s direct student and mentee karl marx, who applied this “athiesm” to politics and to business. neitzche, also a student of feuerbach, then applied it to philosophy. freud, who was too young and poor to be tutored by feuerbach, but who was inspired by marx and neitzche, applied this religion to culture and reinforced pseudoscience with “psychology.””

            My quotes are meant to give you ideas directly from both my Teacher and one of the smartest and holiest men to ever live (if not #1 he’s in the top 5 if not top 3). In other words, I am practicing The Spiritual Works of Mercy, specifically the first 3: Admonish the sinner, Council the doubtful, Instruct the Ignorant.

            The First is the most important but requires testicular fortitude clearly lacking from those of this age.

            The Second is available, but I see only vicious members of a counter-religion that has to constantly attack because they have no Substance, no actual doubt.

            The Third is easily done, but members of a vicious counter-religion who can’t keep it in their pants long enough to learn gets in the way. your kind uses every Catholic they meet as a punching bag, thinking it will make your shame over sin go away. no, you’d be ashamed no matter what. I really could have helped you, but you gave me a taste of blood and you shouldn’t have done that if you want to just play games.

            Here is one from God to St Catherine Of Sienna The Seraphic Virgin:
            “Do you know dearest daughter, how I raise the soul out of her imperfections? Sometimes I vex her with evil thoughts and a sterile mind. It will seem to her that I have left her completely, without any feeling whatever. She does not seem to be in the world, because she is in fact not there; nor does she seem to be in me because she has no feeling at all other than that her will does not want sin. I do not allow enemies to open the gate of the will that is free. I do let the devils and other enemies of humankind beat against other gates, but not against this, which is the main gate guarding the city of the soul. I do not will the soul’s death as long as she is not so stupid as to open the gate of her will. They cannot enter unless her own will chooses to let them in.”

            Pay attention to those last two sentences, it is why God left you to be self-destructive like this. We Are Delivered, THANK GOD!

            hell begins on earth and here is being in the presence of those damned (“perdere,” lit. “marked for death”), anywhere where the marked (reprobates) go is hell until the lake of fire is closed.

            So, once more with finality:
            Contrition, Conversion, Confession, Penance, Repentance, Forgiveness.

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          5. Yes. I capitalize proper nouns like Satanism and Christian and Thursday and January and George Washington. Does it then follow that I simultaneously worship Satan and Christ and Thor and Janus and dead presidents?

            You know me by my fruits, eh? Well I eat apples and bananas and oranges and pears and grapes and peaches and plums and mangos and berries and melons and pineapples. I also eat vegetables and whole grains and pulses and seeds and fish and eggs and cheese and — occasionally– honey.. So what exactly does all that tell you about me?

            As for the rest of your long and incoherent screed:

            “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.” ~The Venerable Christopher Hitchens

            Present empirical evidence for the existence of your megalomaniacal Hebrew war god named YHWH and his sidekick named Satan and a resurrected man named Jesus and then we’ll talk.

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          6. God is the Uncreated, Uncontingent Prime Mover Who is so far above His Creation that you can only Witness Him as He interacts with Creation.

            Christ is God, Fully God and Fully Man, The Second Person of The Trinity.

            The Old Testament was Written by Prophets of the Old Covenant. The New Testament was Written by The Last Prophets of the Old Covenant and The First Bishops of The New AND Eternal Covenant.

            dissociation is still not refutation, and you would be ashamed over sin even if you never heard of God. ALL contingency (and you can ONLY study or observe contingency) necessitates and is based in The Uncontingent.

            for this reason, all thought is based in axioms and axioms HAVE to be unprovable. therefore, like all things hitchens said, these are “stupid/idiotic/imbecilic statements” which means they refute themselves not only by reality (like all falsehood does) but even by their own incoherent / inchoate standards.

            you then use a second “stupid/idiotic/imbecilic statement” by implying empiricism is the only valid thought. No. empiricism is not even thought and can’t be used to “prove” itself. what’s worse that you employing tautology and implying non-thought is the only thought (If I recall, you were the one I told that had no capability to thinking earlier), is that you are USING A PHILOSOPHICAL ARGUMENT TO CLAIM EMPIRICISM IS THE ONLY THOUGHT. Ugh, there is a reason you were marked even before your sin is taken into account.

            By your “Fruits,” I mean the results and consequences of your actions. like how you blaspheme all while sucking off the devil. you do so 48 times in this message alone. Keep in mind your instances here are multiplied by the billions, one for EVERYONE in Church Militant, Church Suffering, and Church Triumphant

            Let me tell you some things:
            – Unless you are claiming Prophets of The Long Fulfilled Old Covenant are writing hollywood movies, then you are a fool on top of being a damned fool. the “people in hollywood” whom you mention converted to the talmud/kabbalah around 700AD because they refused to denounce islam and needed a “Biblical Pedigree” for political standing. they’re mostly arabs with a bit of canaanite blood, descended from the border between turkey (Byzantium/Constantinople at the time) and Russia.

            – If you want actual Israelites (who don’t exist as pureblooded since even before the Fulfillment) you need to go to Catholic Countries. The Irish have the most actually Israelite blood, as red hair was an Israelite thing, so were blue eyes and blonde hair. you can use archeology to confirm this easily (I know you won’t, “science” is just a meme-bludgeon for your kind).

            – you do support marxism, just “cultural marxism” aka “post-modernism.” marxism is useless in a milquetoast suburban society that produces nothing at all, so post-modernism has the same rhetoric and ends. post-modernists even pretend to “hate” marxists to sell the grift more accurately through the hegelian dialectic. post modernists are still at the “antifa” rallies burning down cities though.

            – the devil is even less than you are, and you are lowest of the low. so what does that make you if you try to prove yourself as worthy of what is worse than the lowest of the low?

            – the devil is a common, created, contingent being, a spirit. the devil has no power to give you and no power for himself. the devil is dead and since you can’t change your inclination after death, the devil is Permanently stuck in his last moments for all Eternity. the devil hates you and wants nothing more for you to be dead and damned, which you follow for delusion of being “powerful in hell.”

            Moving on, you capitalize the name of the devil even when you purposely de-capitalize God. Like I said, have dealt with thousands of your kind and have used months of my life in man hours dealing with you.

            you even put your pretend master before Christ. I say pretend because
            1) you can’t actually sell your soul.
            2) you don’t own your soul, God does.
            3) there is no way to remove your soul from your person.

            you worshiping pagan “gods” is common among your kind, as those are demons and you serve demons.

            Here is the meaning of life: you were allowed to be born here instead of directly in hell to allow you a chance to Repent.

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          7. You could have save yourself a lot of keystrokes by simply writing “Sorry Ron, but I’m unable to back up any of my fantastic claims with any tangible evidence”.

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          8. Once more (still just defining terms for you, and dissociation will NEVER be refutation, I even answer your multiple self-refutations of your whole worldview and there are more if you were worth the time):
            God is the Uncreated, Uncontingent Prime Mover Who is so far above His Creation that you can only Witness Him as He interacts with Creation.

            Christ is God, Fully God and Fully Man, The Second Person of The Trinity.

            The Old Testament was Written by Prophets of the Old Covenant. The New Testament was Written by The Last Prophets of the Old Covenant and The First Bishops of The New AND Eternal Covenant.

            dissociation is still not refutation, and you would be ashamed over sin even if you never heard of God. ALL contingency (and you can ONLY study or observe contingency) necessitates and is based in The Uncontingent.

            for this reason, all thought is based in axioms and axioms HAVE to be unprovable. therefore, like all things hitchens said, these are “stupid/idiotic/imbecilic statements” which means they refute themselves not only by reality (like all falsehood does) but even by their own incoherent / inchoate standards.

            you then use a second “stupid/idiotic/imbecilic statement” by implying empiricism is the only valid thought. No. empiricism is not even thought and can’t be used to “prove” itself. what’s worse that you employing tautology and implying non-thought is the only thought (If I recall, you were the one I told that had no capability to thinking earlier), is that you are USING A PHILOSOPHICAL ARGUMENT TO CLAIM EMPIRICISM IS THE ONLY THOUGHT. Ugh, there is a reason you were marked even before your sin is taken into account.

            By your “Fruits,” I mean the results and consequences of your actions. like how you blaspheme all while sucking off the devil. you do so 48 times in this message alone. Keep in mind your instances here are multiplied by the billions, one for EVERYONE in Church Militant, Church Suffering, and Church Triumphant

            Let me tell you some things:
            – Unless you are claiming Prophets of The Long Fulfilled Old Covenant are writing hollywood movies, then you are a fool on top of being a damned fool. the “people in hollywood” whom you mention converted to the talmud/kabbalah around 700AD because they refused to denounce islam and needed a “Biblical Pedigree” for political standing. they’re mostly arabs with a bit of canaanite blood, descended from the border between turkey (Byzantium/Constantinople at the time) and Russia.

            – If you want actual Israelites (who don’t exist as pureblooded since even before the Fulfillment) you need to go to Catholic Countries. The Irish have the most actually Israelite blood, as red hair was an Israelite thing, so were blue eyes and blonde hair. you can use archeology to confirm this easily (I know you won’t, “science” is just a meme-bludgeon for your kind).

            – you do support marxism, just “cultural marxism” aka “post-modernism.” marxism is useless in a milquetoast suburban society that produces nothing at all, so post-modernism has the same rhetoric and ends. post-modernists even pretend to “hate” marxists to sell the grift more accurately through the hegelian dialectic. post modernists are still at the “antifa” rallies burning down cities though.

            – the devil is even less than you are, and you are lowest of the low. so what does that make you if you try to prove yourself as worthy of what is worse than the lowest of the low?

            – the devil is a common, created, contingent being, a spirit. the devil has no power to give you and no power for himself. the devil is dead and since you can’t change your inclination after death, the devil is Permanently stuck in his last moments for all Eternity. the devil hates you and wants nothing more for you to be dead and damned, which you follow for delusion of being “powerful in hell.”

            Moving on, you capitalize the name of the devil even when you purposely de-capitalize God. Like I said, have dealt with thousands of your kind and have used months of my life in man hours dealing with you.

            you even put your pretend master before Christ. I say pretend because
            1) you can’t actually sell your soul.
            2) you don’t own your soul, God does.
            3) there is no way to remove your soul from your person.

            you worshiping pagan “gods” is common among your kind, as those are demons and you serve demons.

            Here is the meaning of life: you were allowed to be born here instead of directly in hell to allow you a chance to Repent.

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          9. Once more: assertions alone do not constitute evidence for the thing being asserted.

            And once more:

            “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.” ~Christopher Hitchens.

            Produce tangible evidence for the things claimed to exist (i.e., your genocidal Hebrew god, your resurrected Jesus and your holy spook) or admit that you are incapable of being able to do so.

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    2. Christ is God, Fully God and Fully Man. Christ Is The New Adam, The Virgin Mary Is The New Eve.

      There is no “contradiction,” just you proving the old Chesterton adage “agnostics are not people who admit they do not know something, they demand that others not know more than them.”

      Two Venerable Fulton Sheen quotes for you:
      “If some of us who are blessed with its sacred privileges believed the same things about the Church that her slanderers believe, if we knew her only through the words of traitors or third-rate lies of dishonest historians, if we understood her only through those who were never cradled in her sacred associations, we would perhaps hate the Church just as much as they do. The bitterest enemies of the Church, those who accuse her of being unpatriotic, as Christ was accused of being before Pilate; of being unworldly, as Christ was accused of being before Herod; of being too dogmatic, as Christ was accused of being before Caiaphas; or being too undogmatic, as Christ was accused of being Annas; of being possessed by the devil, as Christ was accused of being before the Pharisees — these do not really hate the Church. They cannot hate the Church any more than they can hate Christ; they hate only that which they mistakenly believe to be the Catholic Church, and their hate is but their vain attempt to ignore. Charity, then, must be shown to persons, and particularly to those outside the fold who by charity must be led back, that there may be one fold and one Shepherd.”
      and
      “Conscience, Christ, and the gift of faith make evil men uneasy in their sin. They feel that if they could drive Christ from the earth, they would be free from “moral inhibitions.” They forget that it is their own nature and conscience which makes them feel that way. Being unable to drive God from the heavens, they would drive his ambassadors from the earth. In a lesser sphere, that is why many men sneer at virtue–because it makes vice uncomfortable.”

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  5. Again, we should take it as a literary allusion. If I happen to mention Sherlock Holmes or Rip Van Winkle or Red Riding Hood or Goldilocks that does not imply that I believe any of them was a real person. It’s just part of the normal way we talk to other people in our culture. It is reference to part of our shared common knowledge, even if it is knowledge of fictional characters.

    Fundies seem incapable of understanding this.

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    1. I am not referring to fundamentalists but rather the so called enlightened clergy.
      As I mentioned to Ubi, are we to presume then that these so-called enlightened clergy firmly believe Jesus was simply making literary allusions?

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      1. “Enlightened clergy”.

        Yes, you are right. I should have said “fundies and religious con men.”

        They are in it for the money, so they have to pretend to believe what their donors want them to believe.

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      2. Ha! Only when convenient to avoid cognitive dissonance. You bet your ass religious believers HAVE TO accept certain allusions as historical events and facts… right up until challenged, and then, well, then we see the Janus face in full glory… Francis Collins included.

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        1. And when they are caught out for their hypocrisy they drop the ‘J’ entirely.
          I think the term is called ”seeing one’s arse”?
          😉

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        2. All in Scripture is Historical, also Moral, and three other separate meanings like Allegorical and Anagogical and all 4 at once.

          this is what we get when we take The Third Form of The Deposit Of Faith (Scripture) and let it be twisted into whatever a group of foundationless devil worshipers say it is. those foundationless devil worshipers (protestants) then eventually drop the pretense and become open pedophilic satanists like you and your friend “ark” here, all while prooftexting your antithesis delusions from said protestant “bibles.”

          The Bible is VERY complex and requires Knowledge of Natural Law, which you do not have. Therefore these obnoxious rhetoric sessions you think will make your shame over sin go away.

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          1. This is hilariously bad reasoning in full frontal nudity, and I appreciate the hard work that goes into creating it, but there’s usually a cap at the end to give you time to laugh with the author rather than at the author. I can’t find that cap…

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          2. I am defining terms for you, ones you do not know. you are speaking on things you don’t understand, and desperately so.

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          3. you can’t even admit your own evil to yourself. learn or leave.

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          4. You don’t even realize that’s not your call but your hubris is plain.

            Look, you’re full of faith-based belief and it has driven out your ability to communicate well. Your reasoning is founded on the same faith-based belief – reasoning from minds much bigger than yours or mine own that I have studied to a great extent. Your passion is from the same faith-based belief. What you don’t seem to realize is that your faith-based beliefs are maintained ONLY on the same faith-based belief! You believe in your belief because you believe it. It’s a vicious little circle and getting smaller all the time.

            I suspect you know this. Rather than understand what’s going on and how to break out this self-imposed viciousness of faith-based belief taken to heart over mind, you just lash out with all kinds of deplorable and unjustified accusations… again, based only on the same belief in belief. Your mind is circling the drain and you’re full of much heat but no light. So I bid you farewell and a pleasant journey into what I predict is a hell of your own making. That’s the cost you have chosen to bear to continue believing as you do. Holding on to those beliefs and trying to justify doing so in spite of overwhelming evidence from reality that it’s where knowledge about reality goes to die has nothing to do with anyone else no matter how much shit you try to fling for not having enough company.

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          5. I can easily account for everything in the universe as that is rather small, and much beyond it that concerns humanity.

            That is what it means to be “Catholic,” “according to the whole with nothing left out.” God has Delivered Us from you. Thank God, God is Great.

            you can’t meet anyone higher ordered than me, for the third time proving Chesterton’s adage that “agnostics are not those who admit they do not know something, agnostics are those who demand no one else could possibly know more than them.” emotional manipulation you think works on yourself can’t even work on your fellow heretics, and you can’t do anything to me; all you know about me is that you are deathly frightened of me (you really should be, so Good for your momentary awareness among your reprobate mind) and that you can see your ugly reflection in me as if I was a mirror to you (that part should scare you more, as that means I have immense Grace).

            in this case, you tread the same path I have seen in the thousands of your indistinguishable kind I have met of you and destroyed. the mortal sin of despair is when you try to damn others in your place. this is made when your capital sin of pride (delusion you have somehow “usurped” Divine Will by wishful thinking) is threatened. basically, instead of admitting the reality of your diseased case, you either
            1) claim ALL humans are like you and guilty of what you are personally guilty of by default,
            or
            2) try to damn others in your place by projection.

            damned to hell, your new and real name, you need to know that sneering, rabid dissociation from humanity to hide your ego from destruction, denial, et al are not arguments nor are they refuting. I am still just defining terms for you.

            Faith, The Highest form of thought, that allows all other thought to exist. That means Founding oneself in God. There is no other possible foundation.
            Reason (pure intellect) is the broadest and it is totally blind without Faith.
            Logic is the lowest because it relies on the senses.

            Oh, you need to read this, it is from God to St Catherine Of Sienna The Seraphic Virgin:
            “Do you know dearest daughter, how I raise the soul out of her imperfections? Sometimes I vex her with evil thoughts and a sterile mind. It will seem to her that I have left her completely, without any feeling whatever. She does not seem to be in the world, because she is in fact not there; nor does she seem to be in me because she has no feeling at all other than that her will does not want sin. I do not allow enemies to open the gate of the will that is free. I do let the devils and other enemies of humankind beat against other gates, but not against this, which is the main gate guarding the city of the soul. I do not will the soul’s death as long as she is not so stupid as to open the gate of her will. They cannot enter unless her own will chooses to let them in.”

            Pay attention to those last two sentences, it is why God left you to be self-destructive like this. We Are Delivered, THANK GOD!

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          6. @Teapot

            Yeah . . .

            So as a Catholic, do you accept the theory of evolution? Do you think Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels believed Moses, Adam and Eve, and Noah were real people or not? How do you reconcile the two?

            Also, I don’t see why you’re being rude. What exactly are you hoping to accomplish with that?

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          7. hell awaits demon, you earned it, but I would prefer you do so away from me; you ad nothing here but take much away from what little rotted remains are of your soul. you don’t even know what Repenting is nor how to get it.

            The Church Is The Perfection Of Israel, The Body Of Christ and Bride Of Christ.

            “evolution” is the gnostic belief in self-creation hidden behind pseudo-science. you try to claim all as its own uncreated, uncontingent prime mover, which is absurd as all is clearly Created and Contingent.

            your satanic religion is your own, and you can’t even admit it to yourself.

            you don’t know a thing of Love, Absolute Truth, and Natural Law but you bray with an always open mouth before the same hell that yawns for you as you beg for it.

            go away.

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          8. Well, let’s not hope your intent here was malicious hidden behind a mask. Just in case, I’ll Pray to have your curses sent back to whence they came.

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          9. And to continue to define terms you do not know and never seemingly will be able to understand. I see no way to edit replies.

            Christ is God, Christ is also The New Adam. The Virgin Mary is The New Eve, which is why she is referred to as “Woman.”

            Moses is one of The Greatest Prophets and was the founder of the major part of The Old Covenant.

            Noah is also one of The Greatest Prophets, and all men share his blood in the same way we share Adam’s. sadly, you share the blood of cain and this hes lead to the reprobate mind that works as the engine of this damned place (the blog); Happily, I do not have anything to do with cain.

            As for any “rudeness,” you consider damning yourself and all around you tirelessly as “good cheer” and consider Admonishing the sinner and Instructing the ignorant as “rude.” Venerable Fulton Sheen knew of you:
            “If some of us who are blessed with its sacred privileges believed the same things about the Church that her slanderers believe, if we knew her only through the words of traitors or third-rate lies of dishonest historians, if we understood her only through those who were never cradled in her sacred associations, we would perhaps hate the Church just as much as they do. The bitterest enemies of the Church, those who accuse her of being unpatriotic, as Christ was accused of being before Pilate; of being unworldly, as Christ was accused of being before Herod; of being too dogmatic, as Christ was accused of being before Caiaphas; or being too undogmatic, as Christ was accused of being Annas; of being possessed by the devil, as Christ was accused of being before the Pharisees — these do not really hate the Church. They cannot hate the Church any more than they can hate Christ; they hate only that which they mistakenly believe to be the Catholic Church, and their hate is but their vain attempt to ignore. Charity, then, must be shown to persons, and particularly to those outside the fold who by charity must be led back, that there may be one fold and one Shepherd.”

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  6. ark, it’s been a while but your blog showed up on my stats, in one of your last comments to me you told me of your connection to satanism. were you not also the one who said that he demanded a meteor to strike earth because the worst sin That Cries To Heaven For Vengeance, worst sin of all, and worst evil of all of “abortion” is soon to be abolished?

    so ignoring your outright adherence to the devil without question (both you and the devil are easily ignorable as you don’t matter), I wanted to tell you something:
    you would be ashamed of your sin if you heard of God or not as shame is the Natural Response to you doing the unnatural.

    therefore sneering at us here and blaspheming won’t save you. it will damn you further, as blaspheming (suicide due to denial of God and His Church) is the third worst sin That Cries To Heaven For Vengeance. it won’t make your shame go away either, but it will desperately increase it.

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    1. Oh, the gods …. you’ve been watching Manchester United matches on the telly again , haven’t you Nigel?
      Well, I suppose it is slightly better than masturbating over old photos of Liberace.
      Oh, and Gary Glitter was arrested and sent to prison so I suggest you stop subscribing to his fan club, otherwise people will talk. You know how it is, right?
      You really should get out more.
      Ask your priest if he will allow you out of the broom cupboard just once a week.
      You could always offer to make him a cup of tea and afterwards brush the goat hairs off his cassock.

      Regards
      Ark

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      1. pagan “gods” are demons, evil incarnate, but you knew that. you wouldn’t worship them if they weren’t demons just like you wouldn’t worship government or communism if it wasn’t demonic.

        Like I said, your shame would be there if you heard of God or not.

        The price of blaspheming (and this goes to the heretics you rail against as well) is special punishment in hell worse than all else before it combined and a blood price to be paid on earth even if you Repent. Keep in mind these things tend to count sometimes into the billions per instance based on intent and whom you are doing it against.

        each of those are to be paid in full.

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        1. As a staunch Liverpool supporter, you watching Manchester United is worshipping idols and blasphemy.
          I think you will find that it is you, Nigel that will be on the wrong end of Satan’s pitchfork.
          But I think as you are a close ass-ociate of Satan he will ensure you are reimbursed your membership fee for the Gary Glitter Fan Club. After all , you and the Priest you confess to likely have at least one thing in common with Paul Gadd.

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          1. the devil is a common spirit, a created, contingent being. the devil is a prisoner of hell and suffers the pains of hell like anyone else there.

            I don’t watch football at all (the real one) let alone the “association” variety you think you have a monopoly on (despite all or most of your players being from other countries). I just destroy evil and make them wish they were never born (then I forget you ever existed).

            the mortal sin of despair is when you try to damn others in your place. this is made when your capital sin of pride is threatened. you do so all while blaspheming (for this instance you get one count per ALL in Church Militant, Church Suffering, AND Church Triumphant past, present, and future).

            while you have shown malice towards children and love of sodomy elsewhere, this is not found in The Church. Not only is The Church cleanest of this of ALL groups, it excommunicates Latae Senitentiae.

            as for your worshiping of the devil as “all powerful,” you make my point for me. Like Hillaire Belloc says, fear of evil leads you to worship evil. you begin with the capital sin of pride (spiritual pride), which is the delusion that your wishful thinking allows you to steal divine will. evil is stronger than the weak, but nothing compared to the strong, and spiritual pride is the greatest weakness. the weak then think evil is “all-powerful” simply because it is stronger than them, all because they refuse to get rid of the delusion that they are “greater” than God simply because of a bad though they aren’t smart enough or strong enough to get rid of. therefore they think evil is “stronger” than God simply because it is stronger than them, when in reality evil is just an absence; a malfunction of a dying soul as it rots away.

            P.S. don’t let “john zande” out of the cage you project on me to see this one. he gets conniptions when I use big words and even bigger ideas (even though I speak in plain, cogent english). you people are talking about the Highest-Of-The-High while you are lowest of the low; would you believe this is me dumbing all this down as low as it can go? even then look how far above you it is.

            don’t reply, I don’t care, pedosodomite.

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          2. while you have shown malice towards children and love of sodomy elsewhere,

            Really? But you are the Catholic, yes?
            perhaps you could point to where I showed this malice towards kids?
            That would be a fun exercise, don’t you think?

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          3. your fixation on abortion and sodomy, evil incarnate.

            And yes, I am Catholic, the real thing, Israel Herself.

            another 12 counts of the blaspheming for you multiplied by the total, ultimate number in Church Militant, Church Suffering, and Church Triumphant for you again. each to be paid in full. billions to trillions of blood prices for you to pay yet, and that’s just on earth even if you Repent.

            then all the instances of mortal sins all recursively turning into blasphemy as well.

            but also your intent shows you trying to Martyr me in effigy of God. that is the worst sin That Cries To Heaven For Vengeance that is often called “abortion.” the special punishment and blood prices for that is infinitely worse than than of blaspheming, and I can make a VERY Good argument for you trying to do so to ALL Catholics (which would include the entire Communion Of Saints as mentioned earlier).

            if you weren’t so offended, evil incarnate, you would have read the rest of my message instead of just that one sentence where I call out your love of pedosodomy (I don’t know if you commit it physically, but you support it surely). the last sentence was where I told you not to reply.

            your life and all you know is forfeit. Repent if you still can, but your fate is known.

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          4. Yes, but can you direct me to the post or comments where I demonstrate a fixation with abortion, please

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          5. your entire oeuvre is based on sins That Cry To Heaven For Vengeance. you telling me you never got the first two, even though you have whole articles dedicated to them years ago? the search function on your blog would be helpful if you are so possessed you don’t know what you say to yourself.

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          6. Then at least please post a link or two to these articles, especially the ones purportedly about sodomy and child abuse.
            If you haven’t the integrity to put your money where your mouth is people might begin to think you are nothing but a vile deranged arsehat.

            So, come on Nigel …. post a link. I have nothing to hide. Have you?

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          7. you have plenty supporting abortion no? were you not the one calling for the meteor years ago because abortion numbers were down and people are finally standing up against it?

            sodomy is an intrinsic part of all leftism, as that is how the devil dehumanizes you.

            Sáncte Míchael Archángele,
            defénde nos in proélio,
            cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium.
            Ímperet ílli Déus,
            súpplices deprecámur:
            tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis,
            sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos,
            qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo,
            Divína virtúte,
            in inférnum detrúde.
            Ámen.

            Crux Sacra Sit Mihi Lux
            Non Draco Sit Mihi Dux
            Sunt Mala Quae Libas
            Ipse Venena Biba!
            Vade Retro satana
            Nunquam Suade Mihi Vana
            Amen

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          8. were you not the one calling for the meteor years ago because abortion numbers were down and people are finally standing up against it?

            Nope, not me, I’m afraid. Never been big on meteors, to tell the truth.
            Maybe you are confusing me with someone else.

            sodomy is an intrinsic part of all leftism

            Perhaps you are right, but what gave you the impression that I am a leftist, Nigel?
            Can you please be specific.

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          9. all of your kind are indistinguishable from another, but I know you. How could you support three of the four worst evils but not the second?

            leftism and atheism exist because of one another.

            Sáncte Míchael Archángele,
            defénde nos in proélio,
            cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium.
            Ímperet ílli Déus,
            súpplices deprecámur:
            tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis,
            sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos,
            qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo,
            Divína virtúte,
            in inférnum detrúde.
            Ámen.

            Crux Sacra Sit Mihi Lux
            Non Draco Sit Mihi Dux
            Sunt Mala Quae Libas
            Ipse Venena Biba!
            Vade Retro satana
            Nunquam Suade Mihi Vana
            Amen

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          10. But why on earth do you have the impression I support ”leftism”?
            Where is your evidence to support this?

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          11. your support of the sins That Cry To Heaven For Vengeance, your obnoxious, milquetoast, old hat attacks on Christians.

            here

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          12. Ah … so you consider I am a leftist because you believe I support abortion and homosexual marriage?

            Is this the reason for your vitriolic ire and why you have been spewing verbal diarrheal all over m blog post?
            A simple Yes or No will suffice and then I will gladly answer to the fullest of my ability.
            If , however ‘No’ is your response then please include details, without any more flowery rhetoric, of what exactly it is you are upset with me about and supply the links fro my blog or other people’s blogs to illustrate where I support all the things you accuse me of.
            Regards.
            Le Ark

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          13. I simply answer evil, and I have already dealt with you lot.

            those are the top two worst satanic rituals. your dedicate your life to evil, why would you stop there?

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    1. so you now use the two year old “anything I do not understand is ‘boring'” shtick?

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    2. Fundies wear out their welcome very quickly, but a schizophrenic fundy who won’t shut up? That’s too much for anyone’s forbearance.

      I remember @Nigel is a Crackpot the first time around. Once was enough. He almost makes me nostalgic for @ColorStorm.

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      1. evil incarnate, once you monsters stop responding I will forget you were ever born. Mercifully.

        can’t stop trying to use me as a punching bag whenever you see me though, and in this case threatening to kill me. you are using an old soviet execution word “schtizophrenic” there yo try to dehumanize me. well, you will fall alone into the grave you dig, and you ****ing deserve it monster.

        you’d be ashamed of your sin if you heard of God or not. Being a Christian was your only chance out of hell, not “child abuse.” your shame is built into your Nature and is possibly the single Natural (as born) thing left about you, it is the Natural Response to you doing the unnatural.

        From Venerable Fulton Sheen:
        “Conscience, Christ, and the gift of faith make evil men uneasy in their sin. They feel that if they could drive Christ from the earth, they would be free from “moral inhibitions.” They forget that it is their own nature and conscience which makes them feel that way. Being unable to drive God from the heavens, they would drive his ambassadors from the earth. In a lesser sphere, that is why many men sneer at virtue–because it makes vice uncomfortable.”

        And for the third time from God to St Catherine of Sienna:
        Oh, you need to read this, it is from God to St Catherine Of Sienna The Seraphic Virgin:
        “Do you know dearest daughter, how I raise the soul out of her imperfections? Sometimes I vex her with evil thoughts and a sterile mind. It will seem to her that I have left her completely, without any feeling whatever. She does not seem to be in the world, because she is in fact not there; nor does she seem to be in me because she has no feeling at all other than that her will does not want sin. I do not allow enemies to open the gate of the will that is free. I do let the devils and other enemies of humankind beat against other gates, but not against this, which is the main gate guarding the city of the soul. I do not will the soul’s death as long as she is not so stupid as to open the gate of her will. They cannot enter unless her own will chooses to let them in.”

        Pay attention, it’s why you are how you became.

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          1. Let me tell you the steps of the reprobate.

            The five steps of the reprobate are:
            1) mortal sin
            2) denial of God due to shame over mortal sin, hoping that makes it go away.
            3) persecution of Christians due to shame over mortal sin, hoping that makes it go away.
            4) Martyring Christians due to shame over mortal sin, hoping that makes it go away.
            5) sucide

            you’re trying to psych yourself up for step 4, unaware that step 5 is immediate after 4. Also, this messenger shoots back, and I can delete souls too.

            Anyways, your curses are returned back to whence they cam and then upon you if you EVER try to harm someone again. With a St Michael Prayer and St Benedict Prayer:
            Sáncte Míchael Archángele,
            defénde nos in proélio,
            cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium.
            Ímperet ílli Déus,
            súpplices deprecámur:
            tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis,
            sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos,
            qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo,
            Divína virtúte,
            in inférnum detrúde.
            Ámen.

            Crux Sacra Sit Mihi Lux
            Non Draco Sit Mihi Dux
            Sunt Mala Quae Libas
            Ipse Venena Biba!
            Vade Retro satana
            Nunquam Suade Mihi Vana
            Amen

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          2. Yes, wonderful… but I really would like a link to any article you claim I have a fixation on child sodomy and abortion.
            Seriously , you are coming across as very silly Nigel.
            Surely you are not merely some sort of delusional idiot and have enough integrity to support your highly emotional claims with evidence, yes?
            So, once more, please supply a link. Just one will do and I will gladly republish it for you and you can continue to comment to your hearts content.

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          3. Ooh, in your last message you used “deranged,” which I only noticed while checking if my post went through. this one you use “delusional.”

            all you have left is “paranoid” and “schitzophrenic” to cover all four major soviet execution words after the serbsky institute opened up.

            you are desperate for that #4.

            were you not the one asking for a meteor years ago because abortion is on its way out? FINALLY, the worst sin That Cries To Heaven For Vengeance, worst sin of all, and worst evil of all is going away.

            you base yourself on blaspheming (the third worst) and denying man his fair wage (the fourth worst)

            that leaves the second worst: sodomy. you telling me, that you haven’t supported that one even though you support the other 3? even when it wounds you so to even mention it? are you not a leftist? ALL totalitarian precursors worship sodomy because their immense shame makes them easy killers and they are easy to “liquidate” once “the party” is in power and the “useful” idiots are no longer needed.

            Sáncte Míchael Archángele,
            defénde nos in proélio,
            cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium.
            Ímperet ílli Déus,
            súpplices deprecámur:
            tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis,
            sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos,
            qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo,
            Divína virtúte,
            in inférnum detrúde.
            Ámen.

            Crux Sacra Sit Mihi Lux
            Non Draco Sit Mihi Dux
            Sunt Mala Quae Libas
            Ipse Venena Biba!
            Vade Retro satana
            Nunquam Suade Mihi Vana
            Amen

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          4. Lucky you that you have not had to deal with many sodomites then. they treat themselves as a religious group or a “chosen race” where they literally hope to find a “twink jesus” that looks like how they did as a child to divinize them by “the gift” and brutality against digestive tracts.

            you think I’m joking, don’t you?

            worship, or “worth ship,” means to try to prove yourself worthy of something.

            see the entire media establishment since they decided they would carry out their american “revolution” 1:1 the same way they did it in Russia and germany.

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          5. But you have accused me of worshipping sodomites and indulging in sodomy.
            So which are the posts that you claim I have written that demonstrate I indulge in these practices and especially with children?
            It really would be helpful if you could at least post a link to such a post as I am really intrigued by this.

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          6. Like I said, you support the other sins That Cry To Heaven For Vengeance, why would you not support that one?

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          7. Which ”other sins” would these be?
            Would make it heaps easier for me if you simply supplied a bullet point list and then a link showing where I’ve expressed this support.
            Thanks.

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          8. there are four sins That Cry To Heaven For Vengeance.

            abortion (more broadly, Martyring The Innocent in effigy of God)
            sodomy
            blasphemy (suicide due to denial of God, His Church, and Reality)
            denying man his fair wage (defrauding family men, orphans, widows, the infirm, the sick, the poor)

            the last one is broadly encompassed in most all leftism.

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          9. And yet you subscribe to Catholicism whose entire raison d’etre encompasses all the vile things you list.

            Maybe the Devil whom you believe to be real has blinded you to the reality of your situation?
            After all, a great many Catholic priests are known sodomizers and paedophiles and there is no reason not to believe this has been going on since the institution of the Catholic Church.
            It is certainly going on as I write and the Church for all its vacuous utterances is still shielding paedophile priests from prosecution.
            The Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest organisations in the world and is the second largest individual owner of land across the globe,
            It’s wealth is only matched by the levels of hypocrisy and corruption among its ranks.
            It’s anti-contraception policies ensured the death sentence upon untold numbers of people who died of HIV/AIDS.

            Individuals such as Anjezë Gonxhe Bojaxhiu was little more than a self -serving hypocrite who received millions of dollars from known criminals and yet she abused her position and increased the suffering of thousands of people. Toward the end of her life she had chronic faith issues regarding the veracity of the claims of her religion.

            It seems that for all your waffle here on my blog the one who is most likely a ”Servant of Satan” a sodomizer, anti- human, blasphemer and all-round vile delusional individual is you , Nigel!

            Oh, the sweet irony!

            Trust me on this:
            There is absolutely nothing you can add that will alter this perspective as the truth of it is a plain as the snotty nose on your scabby face.

            ”Dominoes, Spirits and Sanctions”

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      1. C’mon, Ark — banning a visitor is nothing more than adding his email or his URL to the Comment Blacklist. That’s difficult?

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        1. I know how to ban people, no probs, but you lot look as if you are having so much fun!

          ”My name is Nigel and you are all damned and will burn in hell because I say so because God told me. Did I tell my name is Nigel?”

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          1. mortal sins kill the soul outright.

            sins That Cry To Heaven For Vengeance cause God To Deny His Permissive Will to Punish you immediately. in your case, you seem to support all 4 and you dedicate your life to it. these incur special punishment in hell worse than all else before it combined AND a blood price to be paid on earth even if you repent.

            you won’t make this go away by alinsky tactics or lying behind my back (which, funnily enough is the mortal sin of gossip).

            I give coherent, cogent arguments that you and your friends have no capability to understand. Like I said:
            “atheism is a religion posing as a political movement created by satanist and freemason feuerbach in the early 1800’s. this was popularized by feuerbach’s direct student and mentee karl marx, who applied this “athiesm” to politics and to business. neitzche, also a student of feuerbach, then applied it to philosophy. freud, who was too young and poor to be tutored by feuerbach, but who was inspired by marx and neitzche, applied this religion to culture and reinforced pseudoscience with “psychology.”

            this tendril of gnosticism of yours seeks to dupe sexualy sinful white people to try to destroy the Foundation of Civilization, which is The Church. the adherents don’t know what they believe or why, they just attack, and this is by design; how could you be refuted if you don’t even know I am refuting your views you hold but do not consciously recognize you have?

            you don’t know what you believe or what drives you, proving my point. you cannot admit it to yourself.”

            the better the argument against you, the more it just washes off of you because you REALLY have no idea what you are talking about and have no clue what you even believe. you are literally (and I am using that word right) destroyers without any awareness; as long as you assume there is some destruction to be had with your actions you do it. should there be no destruction, you run away without ever consciously processing you are doing it.

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        1. evil incarnate, sodomites are easy to figure out because many are utterly honest about their evil.

          Read some Joseph Sciambra who left that life.

          Oh, and your soviet execution word is not unnoticed.

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          1. Being Catholic, it comes as no surprise that you’re fixated on sodomy given that your entire church is filled with pedophile priests.

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          2. evil without equal who suffers blood prices by the billions on earth, never have I seen an atheist reject any “conventional knowledge” (aka media narrative). bonus points for quoting louis ck, a half-mexican, half ashkenazi pedophile and rapist himself.

            like him, you accuse us of what you are alone guilty of. you kill your soul outright and worse, allow me to explain.

            firstly, your hatred of The Church is your hope to try to steal The Authority of The Church.

            secondly, you incur one count of the third worst sin That Cries To Heaven For Vengeance of blasphemy (s*c*de due to denial of God and His Church) per ALL in Church Militant, ALL in Church Suffering, and ALL in Church Triumphant. each incurs special punishment in h*ll worse than all else before it combined, AND each a blood price that MUST be paid here on earth even if you Repent; this is the price for all sins That Cry To Heaven For Vengeance.

            thirdly, you accuse The Church of what She is most Innocent of. Out of ALL groups, The Church has the least instances of any abuse of children. you are not only blaspheming, you are guilty. you are trying to cover up what you personally do and what your whole group does worse in the hopes it will Martyr The Innocent in effigy of God.

            therefore you incur by your actions and intent, the worst sin That Cries To Heaven For Vengeance of trying to Martyr The Innocent in effigy of God. one count per ALL in Church Militant, ALL in Church Suffering, and ALL in Church Triumphant.

            you would have already wished you were never born once you taste even the smallest of these price.

            Now? Well. It’ll hurt.

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          3. Threats of fire and brimstone frighten me about as much as threats of getting a lump of coal in my stocking for Christmas; which is to say, not at all. So that line of argumentation won’t you anywhere. But your cold, surly and long-winded rants invoke images of that noisy gong and clanging cymbol Paul spoke about in 1 Corinthians 13:1.

            And your accusations of sexual improprietary also fall flat. Because unlike the perverts who run your church, I’ve never buggered any children or engaged in any non-consensual sex. So if a godless person like myself can refrain from committing such evils, why can’t the clergy who profess belief a in God? Could it be because the church really is the Whore of Babylon prophesized within your holy books?

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          4. No threats, simple descriptions of what you have done to yourself, which is beyond words (though I can hint at it).

            Again, you incur another 40 rounds of blaspheming per EVERYONE in The Church (Like I said, the smallest part of The Church is on earth). The Church is The Cleanest of what you project OUT OF ALL GROUPS.

            you also commit the unforgivable sin a few times here, blaspheming The Holy Spirit and the only place to get Salvation.

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          5. And the latest report out of England? Yet another branch of the International pedophile ring known as the Catholic Church. Are we surprised? No.

            But I especially like the reasoning someone interviewed said regarding the results: their faith was not harmed by such revelations of modern day and ongoing sexual abuse and cover ups in the Church. No, their faith was strengthened because it was obviously a miracle from God that such an organization could continue to survive and thrive after so many examples from around the globe of this Church facilitating this ongoing vile abuse on the most vulnerable: children. So this video is actually much closer to the truth than it may appear.

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          6. damned to hell without recourse, this is tiresome and you know it. Thankfully, you will have nothing but the ability to ruminate over this in hell.

            the worst pain of hell is the shame over knowing you have wronged God and His Church, and there is no equal.

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          7. You worship a false idol, Nigel, called the Catholic Church. Scripture has something to say about that, if you’d ever care to find out.

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          8. you commit the unforgivable here. Because how could you ever find Salvation by attacking the only means of it?

            the instances of blaspheming multiplied by everyone in The Church are still being compounded by you it seems. you don’t know this (but will if you continue down this path) but there is no limit to the punishment in hell.

            Venerable Fulton Sheen knew you before you were born and especially before you worked your whole life towards hell:
            “If some of us who are blessed with its sacred privileges believed the same things about the Church that her slanderers believe, if we knew her only through the words of traitors or third-rate lies of dishonest historians, if we understood her only through those who were never cradled in her sacred associations, we would perhaps hate the Church just as much as they do. The bitterest enemies of the Church, those who accuse her of being unpatriotic, as Christ was accused of being before Pilate; of being unworldly, as Christ was accused of being before Herod; of being too dogmatic, as Christ was accused of being before Caiaphas; or being too undogmatic, as Christ was accused of being Annas; of being possessed by the devil, as Christ was accused of being before the Pharisees — these do not really hate the Church. They cannot hate the Church any more than they can hate Christ; they hate only that which they mistakenly believe to be the Catholic Church, and their hate is but their vain attempt to ignore. Charity, then, must be shown to persons, and particularly to those outside the fold who by charity must be led back, that there may be one fold and one Shepherd.”

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          9. Hit enter on accident.

            damned to hell without recourse, this is tiresome and you know it. Thankfully, you will have nothing but the ability to ruminate over this in hell. the worst pain of hell is the shame over knowing you have wronged God and His Church, and there is no equal.

            At your Particular Judgement God reveals to you EVERYTHING about your life. all that God has done for you, all that you have done and its effects to the ends of time, all who have Prayed for you, all your Guardian Angel has done for you (if you have one), all demons have done to you and all the times you gave into them without any reason so.

            you are given The Grace to not only know it, but to never be able to forget it or rationalize it or lie about it. this turns into the worst pain of hell and amplifies it to infinity. you will see what you have done right here with Perfect Clarity as God sees it. you will look upon yourself and weep as you have forsaken God.

            Right now, you seek to blaspheme to commit suicide (blasphemy is “suicide due to denial of God and His Church after all), while you fully deserve to die and suffer all your pain in hell, I leave that up to God to let you suffer more here before you suffer infinitely for Eternity for all of you crimes which are infinite and Eternal.

            I repeat: your sin is infinite and Eternal, your crimes are infinite and Eternal, and they are punished infinitely and Eternally.

            your sin is bigger than the universe, lying about The Church won’t cause God to strike you down because you were damned before your birth. you were allowed to be born here instead of directly in hell to allow you to Repent. therefore all you have done over your life has been a waste, a begging for a “suicide by cop” that will never come because there is nothing remarkable about you being damned.

            Only remarkable thing would be your Contrition, Conversion, Confession, Penance, and Repentance. Only then would you get Forgiveness and even then you would not deserve it, but it would be given.

            you Martyr your children in the womb, you sodomize and rape them in satanic rituals, and then in your damnedest moments you project onto the most innocent in the hopes it damns Catholics in your place.

            No, The Church has the least instances of your pedophilia out of ALL groups.

            If The Church is a “pedophile ring,” then what are you who are guaranted to be worse? Not only can you not answer, you refuse to even try.

            If The Church is a “pedophile ring,” then what of teachers and policemen (the worst and second worst groups) whom you are deadly silent of and otherwise approving of? Not only can you not answer, you refuse to even try.

            If The Church is a “pedophile ring,” why does even supporting sodomy in ANY form excomminicate automatically (Latae Senitentiae)? Not only can you not answer, you refuse to even try.

            If The Church is a “pedophile ring,” why do you cheer on sodomites who not only eagerly rape your children but feverishly celebrate them as if you wanted to take part? Not only can you not answer, you refuse to even try.

            you accuse The Church of your personal sodomy and pedophilia against Children, all in the hopes it will passive-aggressively harm me in your attempt to Martyr The Innocent in effigy of God. For what you do to me, you do it to ALL of us. Every human in The Church, every human in Purgatory, All Saints, All Angels, and to All Three Persons Of God.

            For this crime of yours, you incur one count of the third worst sin That Cries To Heaven For Vengeance of blasphemy per ALL in Church Militant, Church Suffering, and Church Triumphant.

            you then incur by your actions and intent, the worst sin That Cries To Heaven For Vengeance of trying to Martyr The Innocent in effigy of God. one count per ALL in Church Militant, ALL in Church Suffering, and ALL in Church Triumphant.

            each of these incurs special punishment in h*ll worse than all else before it combined, AND each a blood price that MUST be paid here on earth even if you Repent; this is the price for all sins That Cry To Heaven For Vengeance and increases in severity the worse ones you do.

            For this one message alone, you have 40 instances and I add two more to your docket by My Authority.

            By My Final Authority, this is to be carried out immediately. May God have mercy on your soul, because you have not. Keep in mind mercy is ONLY possible once Justice has been fulfilled in full against you.

            Even if you become the most Faithful Catholic, you will take these trillions of counts in full before your bodily death.

            Each and every one of you “atheists” here. ark, nan, ron, uni, you, and the others. you’re ended. Thank God for that. you were marked for death by God Himself, now it is fulfilled against you.

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          10. Well, with that edict, I’m sure that everyone named is quaking in their boots.

            Looks like your mission here is accomplished and you can now move on to berate the protestants, Muslims and “perfidious” Jews who refuse to repent and turn away from their ungodly heresies.

            Goodbye, good luck, and Godspeed!

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          11. Eternally.

            you capitalize two gnostic sects but leave the synthesis of all heresies uncapitalized?

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          12. Now you’re directing your God! Have you no shame? Your hubris is not an attractive quality but reveals something deeply broken when you spend so much time and effort down this faith-enraptured rabbit hole.

            You should move away from the keyboard, take a deep breath, go for a walk, try to reconnect with reality, and remind yourself that your faith-based belief in the Church does not direct the world around you and you do not direct the judgment and condemnation and punishment of the god this Church pretends to represent. All you’re doing is attacking and vilifying anyone who is not as slavish about the Church as you are… refusing to admit to the reality that your Church has by policy and practice intentionally allowed a very great deal of harm to so many real people in real life and then covered it up and interfered with legitimate criminal investigations into those who carried these crimes out. This is what your misplaced faith has you defending.

            You not only worship a Church rather than the god it supposedly represents but act and believe contrary to scripture… if you ever bothered to actually read scripture. Your shame should be deep and contrite yet you just keep doubling down. This desperation is plain for all to see. And it’s only going to get worse, Nigel, unless and until you pull your mind out of this gutter. Your life should be worth more than this garbage you spew.

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          13. Scripture is the smallest, lowest, and the least part of The Deposit Of Faith (first is Magisterial, second is Sacred Tradition). I know a man so deathly insecure for power has a hard time reacting to the presence of what is above you at all, let alone this far, but I came in peace and you deserve what you got for spitting on my Good Will.

            you deny Natural Law in full, so Love and Absolute Truth are totally out of reach (so no Magisterium or Sacred Tradition for you, or any non-Catholic really). you can understand Scripture looks like a book to you, but your knowledge and understanding stop there. Without Natural Law (and there is no way to even recognize it outside The Church and all outside wholesale reject it) you have no means of understanding even the smallest part of one of the five senses of Scripture no matter how much you read.

            you are merely a bloodthirsty mindless protestant who is disgruntled because you can’t even meet their low standards.

            I know more than you ever could, I am quite a lot you could never know even if you did become Catholic. I am Highest-Of-The-High Ordered, you are lowest of the low. I come here to half inform, but since I know I speak things you could never understand I really only come to mock to show you that evil loses, that you lose, and has no chance.

            In case some Good person accidentally happens upon this place, they will see you and know dragons can be killed.

            The Church Created EVERYTHING you know and take for granted, and without your Remaining Catholic Capital you lose it all. The Church is the cleanest of ALL groups of what you personally do and project.

            If the most innocent of all is terrible, then what are you who is worse? and what are you who has no chance of Salvation no matter what, when we are the only way to get it?

            you can’t see because God has hardened your heart.

            See this from God to St Catherine Of Sienna:
            “I do let the devils and other enemies of humankind beat against other gates, but not against this, which is the main gate guarding the city of the soul. I do not will the soul’s death as long as she is not so stupid as to open the gate of her will. They cannot enter unless her own will chooses to let them in.”

            Let me quote God more specifically as I know you have already gone dissociative:
            “I do not will the soul’s death as long as she is not so stupid as to open the gate of her will.”

            “damned” literally means “marked for death.” when you turn from God, God lets you do it for the Good of those like me who suffer under you all while you project what you do onto us in the hopes it damns us in your place.

            No, it just kills your soul outright to try. your sins That Cry To Heaven For Vengeance do worse.

            God is God, you are only existing because God connected you to Himself so you would be born here instead of directly in hell. This is to allow you a chance to Repent, that is all your life here is and ever was; this is the meaning of life. should you prove yourself totally unable or unwilling to Repent, you would be ended immediately.

            that you are not ended shows you aren’t totally unable, but I have marked you with a condemnation of My Full Weight. This doesn’t mean you poof out of existence, it means you begin being ground down to the nothingness you will be in hell. just a gibbering mass in pain who has Perfect recognition of all in your life and where the greatest pain possible is you knowing you have wronged God and will never see Him again.

            you deserve nothing else, and I only stay myself at all because you deserve slow and not quick. Maybe one day you make it out alive, you have only to gain.

            I could tell you what I am, but you would just hasted your suicide so there is no benefit for you. I am certainly not here for me, but I am here for the people you harm.

            Everything I have said is completely, totally correct and based on simple observation of your actions. All that I mentioned there? Wasn’t for your whole life, JUST THAT ONE MESSAGE.

            Like Chesterton said about you:
            “This is the last and most astounding fact about this faith; that its enemies will use any weapon against it, the swords that cut their own fingers, and the firebrands that burn their own homes. Men who begin to fight the Church for the sake of freedom and humanity end by flinging away freedom and humanity if only they may fight the Church. This is no exaggeration; I could fill a book with the instances of it. Mr. Blatchford set out, as an ordinary Bible-smasher, to prove that Adam was guiltless of sin against God; in manoeuvring so as to maintain this he admitted, as a mere side issue, that all the tyrants, from Nero to King Leopold, were guiltless of any sin against humanity. I know a man who has such a passion for proving that he will have no personal existence after death that he falls back on the position that he has no personal existence now. He invokes Buddhism and says that all souls fade into each other; in order to prove that he cannot go to heaven he proves that he cannot go to Hartlepool. I have known people who protested against religious education with arguments against any education, saying that the child’s mind must grow freely or that the old must not teach the young. I have known people who showed that there could be no divine judgment by showing that there can be no human judgment, even for practical purposes. They burned their own corn to set fire to the church; they smashed their own tools to smash it; any stick was good enough to beat it with, though it were the last stick of their own dismembered furniture. We do not admire, we hardly excuse, the fanatic who wrecks this world for love of the other. But what are we to say of the fanatic who wrecks this world out of hatred of the other? He sacrifices the very existence of humanity to the non-existence of God. He offers his victims not to the altar, but merely to assert the idleness of the altar and the emptiness of the throne. He is ready to ruin even that primary ethic by which all things live, for his strange and eternal vengeance upon some one who never lived at all.

            And yet the thing hangs in the heavens unhurt. Its opponents only succeed in destroying all that they themselves justly hold dear. They do not destroy orthodoxy; they only destroy political and common courage sense. They do not prove that Adam was not responsible to God; how could they prove it? They only prove (from their premises) that the Czar is not responsible to Russia. They do not prove that Adam should not have been punished by God; they only prove that the nearest sweater should not be punished by men. With their oriental doubts about personality they do not make certain that we shall have no personal life hereafter; they only make certain that we shall not have a very jolly or complete one here. With their paralysing hints of all conclusions coming out wrong they do not tear the book of the Recording Angel; they only make it a little harder to keep the books of Marshall & Snelgrove. Not only is the faith the mother of all worldly energies, but its foes are the fathers of all worldly confusion. The secularists have not wrecked divine things; but the secularists have wrecked secular things, if that is any comfort to them. The Titans did not scale heaven; but they laid waste the world.”

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        1. If the “Truth” exists, and has opinions on what I believe, then it knows where to find me.

          You, on the other hand, have been acting like an annoying troll who does not have the “Truth” and does not engage in honest conversation. Shove off.

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          1. God has already found you.

            Read this again from God Himself:
            “Do you know dearest daughter, how I raise the soul out of her imperfections? Sometimes I vex her with evil thoughts and a sterile mind. It will seem to her that I have left her completely, without any feeling whatever. She does not seem to be in the world, because she is in fact not there; nor does she seem to be in me because she has no feeling at all other than that her will does not want sin. I do not allow enemies to open the gate of the will that is free. I do let the devils and other enemies of humankind beat against other gates, but not against this, which is the main gate guarding the city of the soul. I do not will the soul’s death as long as she is not so stupid as to open the gate of her will. They cannot enter unless her own will chooses to let them in.”

            And

            Sáncte Míchael Archángele,
            defénde nos in proélio,
            cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium.
            Ímperet ílli Déus,
            súpplices deprecámur:
            tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis,
            sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos,
            qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo,
            Divína virtúte,
            in inférnum detrúde.
            Ámen.

            Crux Sacra Sit Mihi Lux
            Non Draco Sit Mihi Dux
            Sunt Mala Quae Libas
            Ipse Venena Biba!
            Vade Retro satana
            Nunquam Suade Mihi Vana
            Amen

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          2. You don’t speak for god. If you had a real god talking to you, you would have said my passcode already, because god would have known what it was and told you to say it, first thing. You type so many words, but never the right ones. Without my passcode, you are just another rando on the internet who has deluded himself into thinking he speaks for god.

            And you continue to be a very poor salesman who makes his product look very unappealing indeed. You are tiresome and repetitive I am now done with you. This is me shutting the door in your face. ***SLAM***

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