In or Out – The Brexit Balls Up.

I hardly ever get involved in politics but this subject I find fascinating.

I’ve lived in South Africa for nearly four decades and my folks reckon I would not recognize the UK these days, and I have little holding me to the Old Country. Yet, perhaps we can never fully shrug off our heritage?

So, what do you think? Should the UK metaphorically ”go it alone” or should they throw in their lot with the EU?

Give me your view, best reason either way,  in a sentence or two.

Ark.


33 thoughts on “In or Out – The Brexit Balls Up.

  1. Do a cost benefit analysis and even this far in the benefits outweigh the costs. It takes time to adjust to a new normalcy and a few rock throwers can make trouble for all. I fear the common months are going to be quite difficult in Old Blighty.

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    1. We’ve had one side telling everyone to ignore the experts, ignore the numbers and basically dismissing risk assessments as “project fear”. Deceptive tactics have also played a major role in the debate.

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  2. In the current structure of the world economy, there’s no such thing as going it alone. At least not without major damage. A number of countries have done experiments living outside of free trade zones, and there’s not a single example of a success story.

    The most exhausting aspect is we’re down to slogans and religious thinking. The people who want sovereignty seem to not grasp that all trade deals require the same types of compromises as being part of a trading bloc.

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  3. Just my two cents here.

    UK did everything about right, until the Brexit vote — and everything wrong since then.

    Being part of Europe makes the most sense. The old days of The British Empire are long gone. However, the idea of the Euro as a European currency — that was always a bad idea, and the Brits made the sensible decision to stay with Sterling.

    So they had the best of everything — part of Europe, but without the Euro currency. And then then blew it.

    So that’s my opinion. But I’m not telling them what to do. We have enough of our own problems here in the failing nation of Trump-landia.

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    1. Absolutely! The way things were set up the UK was the EU capital of finance, art, real estate – and also the portal to Asian and US markets for the entire continent. All the while having sort of grandfather-claused in all its own practices and regulations. Voluntarily giving that up is beyond insane.

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  4. I have no dog in this race, and do not support public referendums.

    Nonetheless, those who called for this referendum and cast a ballot in favour of their position gave their implicit consent to abide by the outcome of the vote. So it’s bad form to cry about the results after the fact — don’t you think?

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  5. Like a wise barber once said to Burt Reynolds circa 1978, “Burt, the world can only become a better place when every country, man, woman and child is as totally isolated as is humanly possible. The best way to do this is for each country, man, woman and child to erect an impenetrable wall around themselves so they can not even see outside of it. Burt, if we don’t become separate from each other the unthinkable will happen: We’ll have to deal with each other. And that, my fine, thinning-haired friend, is a thought I simply find to be unbearable.”

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  6. It all boils down to human nature … and pelf. You know, the good ol’ “Wot’s in it for moi?!” (especially at YOUR expense. My expense.)

    As a blue-eyed Aryan type (Anglo Saxon, if you prefer, with Nordic hints) I was born into a similar ‘type’ of environment. I passed through the stage where I’d have made a damn fine Nazi, or Christian, and eventually developed my own philosophy — and also arguably became a sort of ‘conspiracist’.

    Whereas I personally believe that power should devolve to the folks (local) involved … you know, the common dog that if not funding everything mostly supplied the labour … via Democracy, I fully understand that everyone wants that which serves HIM best. Hence the flood of ‘migrants’ pouring out of Africa (which I see as an unarmed invasion by Islam) (successful? Time alone will tell …)(see if I care—I won’t be here, and no descendants. I’m safe.)

    The Brits have long held the famed ‘island fortress’ against wannabe controllers from other lands.
    But as I stated, there are other forms of invasion—and they work. Sadly the Beatrix Potter/Enid Blyton/chocolate box England cannot exist in a modern world where the famed moat against the envy etc etc no longer moats—and where such sovereignty as is possible in this One World (coming, eventually, and inevitable) is voluntarily surrendered (good ol’ Heath—he should be dug up and fed to the oinks) by the self-centred but shallow-visioned.

    We all need to think for ourselves. Sure, the idea of One World Government sounds good … but what would Human Nature do to it? Do with it?

    Brrrrrr …

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  7. I am similar to you Ark, I was born English, lived in NZ for the bulk of my life and I now have lived in Australia for 14 years. I do still have affection for the UK, and something keeps telling me I have this unbreakable bond.

    As far as Brexit is concerned I think it is an EU major loss as well as a massive UK challenge to keep their international trading partners as they will now be in direct competition with the EU. The UK is a major power and a nuclear capable nation that is extremely high tech in so many field where it is the world leader, so it may suffer a downturn for a few years but has a lot to offer and has the capability to hold their own and the potential to do better economically in this respect. All depending of course on who is leading the country.

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    1. From what I have managed to pick up the arguments from the ”Leavers” seem to centre around the UK being ripped off trade wise ( I read somewhere that UK fishing rights are compromised or something? ) and of course, there is the whole ”Johnny Foreigner” issue.

      The British need to blow up the tunnel, mine the entire coastline, build a wall ( including a major refurbish of Hadrian’s Wall to isolate those effing Scots barstewards) kick out all those bloody Vikings and start again.

      The world must come to heel, so a return to Pounds and Ounces is a must as is MPH.
      And none of this Votes for Wimmin nonsense either.
      We need to get back to traditional values, including, hanging and measuring wives for ironing boards.

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  8. From what I’ve seen on WP, those in support of brexit are religious. That alone makes it suspect, but they are meddling with the will of god—again. What’s funny is they want to stop the NWO (god divided the nations), then usher in the mother of all world orders—Jesus Christ!

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        1. Perhaps you need to be committed?
          Shall we call the blokes with the white coats to bring along one of those posh jackets with the long sleeves?
          😉

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  9. When David Cameron tried to get some concessions from the other EU members, he promised the British people a referendum if he did. He failed spectacularly because Brussels has always held the trump cards in the EU and still do. They generally browbeat other members into submission with blackmail tactics (Greece, Italy, Portugal and even Ireland).

    So Cameron held the referendum expecting to stay in the EU. But he failed at that too. People in Britain were split, but a narrow majority won over on an exit from the EU, based on a variety of issues, not just to stop the massive immigration numbers into one of the smallest, but richest countries in the EU. Many of those leavers were around for the first Common Market vote into the European Economic Community (EEC). Voter narrowly won to join, expecting to receive lots of benefits for membership. Most people saw prices double almost immediately. Our fisheries were decimated and farmers subjected to ever increasing rules that have bankrupted many.

    I think the Brexit vote was clear and that people did know what they were voting for on both sides of the debate. But since then, the waters have been muddied by rhetoric within our Parliament on all sides. The whole parliament, not just one party, has spectacularly failed the people. Politicians have not worked faithfully for compromise, the EU has not been entirely fair and the back stabbing continues. Democracy is dead, the fall of the New Rome is coming. People no longer trust politicians or even their own MP’s, let alone government.
    I shall not vote. I hate them all!

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      1. No problem. I’ve been out of the UK for decades so it’s interesting to read how ”the locals” feel.
        Oddly enough, I’ve never asked my folks or my sister (who now lives in France with her husband) their feelings over Brexit.
        Perhaps I should put on my wellies and venture into this muddy water? Hmmm …. we’ll see.

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      1. As you point out, all it seems to have achieved is the realisation that politicians are generally self-serving and cannot be truly trusted. I’d venture that this is something we are all generally aware of.
        However, it takes a major issue such as Brexit to acknowledge that, while cream rises to the top, sadly, so do turds.

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