30 thoughts on “For God’s sake! The insanity of it all.

  1. So what is insane about a group of people in a room discussing the color of textiles?

    That’s what they were doing correct? Were they not going back and forth pointing out flaws or benefits?

    Or would you rather watch the dunces of CNN, NPR, or watch NASA vids of mans ability to swim in space?

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  2. Hello Ark. The Muslim woman kept saying religion gave kids a way to express them self. Ya right up until the boys want to wear dresses, the girls want to not wear a hair covering and a bikini, or until the child expresses LGBTQ+ identity. The Christian man was equating religion with being moral, which we all know is false. The last man was such an idiot that he first compared cutting a baby boy’s foreskin off with getting a haircut. Then he went on a rant with totally wrong facts about religious people live longer happier lives. Reminds me of a Christian activist I read today that claimed that homosexuals live 20 years less than heterosexual people. Only the man at the end tried to address the fact that most religious education denies known science and information. Then at the very end the host mentions some of the indoctrination of a madras that was exposed and while the Muslim lady denied that was their religion no one else in the room addressed that each of the major religions has some similar doctrines they try to impress deep in a child.

    I do think religion taught in secular schools is dangerous. I think religious schools are dangerous. I think homeschooling for religious reasons is child abuse. To teach a child a religion you must claim a truth that only the adult knows that is really only a fable or myth and in some cases proven wrong. Teaching a five year old Noah’s Ark story as real is child abuse. IMO. Hugs

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    1. Spot on.
      This is why I love this particular show as even the ”reasonable” religious members – such as the Church of England vicar – inevitably present themselves as blithering incompetents who simply are not in touch with reality.

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  3. Well, I was brought up with religion and today I’m an atheistic cannibal living on the flesh of Christian infants. In other words, religion taught me the best places to hunt for my evening meals! 🙂 (I enjoyed the video, btw.)

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  4. Wuz gonna go there until I saw it would be a half hour out of my life. Didn’t bother.

    I imagine it would be like a bunch of blind-from-birth experts discussing the exact colour of an elephant the other side of a wall on a distant hill in China — life is just too brief.

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  5. Maybe they should have asked the kids what they think about being taught/indoctrinated. I imagine they would have fallen along pretty much the party line of their parents, though, which just goes to show how early that stuff is learnt.

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    1. When the topic of ”cutting bits off children’s bodies” was raised I was disappointed they didn’t take that loud-mouth Muslim cow to task. It would have made an edgy topic almost combustible.
      But you could see there was a considerable degree of PC running through the debate.
      I would have confronted her without a moments’ hesitation.

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  6. But leave us not forget how many of ‘us’ came to be non-believers even though we were thoroughly steeped in the religion of our parents.

    The light came on for each of us at different times, and in different ways, but all of us questioned where no questions were allowed, and thought about ‘why’ this happened and that didn’t, with or without divine intervention–

    So it’s as much about the child and his own beliefs as it is about his parents’. In a way it’s like growing up in a musical family, where nearly everyone ends up playing a musical instrument. And isn’t there always one who is either tone deaf or more interested in soccer, or reading, one who becomes the manager, but couldn’t play a flute if you hypnotized him…

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    1. Which is why I keep harping on to the single point that alone can change the system (anything else we might do is jolly good fun, but effete).

      Teach the kids the basic rules of thought.

      If nothing else at all make sure they understand and can use for themselves—the Law of Contradiction (namely that there is no such thing as a contradiction, there’s only false premises).

      Nobody in these years of blogging (and before that of newspaper correspondences) has yet challenged me on that one …

      So for God’s sake teach the little buggers how to think. For themselves.
      Give ’em the tools and they’ll finish the job …

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        1. So is cutting bits off kids’ bodies!
          When the subject of circumcision was presented at an initial hearing of human rights at the Hague a few years back it was vetoed and never made it past the hearing.
          Oddly enough the Germans were part of this veto.

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          1. Did I ever tell you about the Bris I worked where I found foreskin and bloody gauze in a coffee cup after guests went home? I digress – ritual circumcision is barbaric, female genital mutilation is a crime against humanity.

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  7. So many controversial aspects. There are some people who, without indoctrination, find themselves completely comfortable with religion and like a fish out of water without it. My mother was a case in point. Elder daughter was brought up with religion and in Catholic schools, but could not reconcile the concepts and regularly had the nuns in tears over her arguments and reasoning against. Younger daughter was neutral. My conclusion is that not in all cases is religion a matter of indoctrination. It is often a matter of free choice suited to the makeup of the individual.

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    1. I’m all for freedom of information.

      Now try that in a religious country. (Adds new dimensions to ‘getting stoned’.)
      As for me, I’ve said it before: if Jesus were to come galloping with open arms to me across the surface of a lake I’d accept Him then and there (regardless of the mess on my fur).

      What are the chances, do we think? The words “Here, dog dog dog~!” often get a prompt response.
      The words “Here, God God God …” evoke only (at best) echoes – or in loving merciful compassionate religious places, a few dozen rocks.

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    2. At their core, the Abrahamic religions require obeisance to an unverifiable deity.
      As He is hidden, earthly ”right hand men” have been sanctioned by this invisible, unknowable deity to conduct affairs in his stead.
      It is all indoctrination, as it is usually interwoven into culture.
      How much indoctrination the individual succumbs to depends on their credulity and how aggressive or subtle the indoctrination.

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      1. 1. True

        2. True.

        3. True.

        So whaddya gonna do about it? Carry on as we are, or try something different? The old saying is (UK armed forces rings a bell) “Give us the tools, and we’ll do the job!”

        At the risk of offending sensitivities across your readership what we’re doing thus far is ‘mental masturbation’ (provides a moment’s satisfaction but doesn’t get anyone fu— pregnant).

        What we need to do is cut to the chase and hack away the roots, the foundations.

        Quite simply you/we won’t get anywhere worthwhile by scoring points against the demonstrably insane.
        We need to demonstrate that they are insane (can’t be done, can it …) or inoculate the upcoming generations by giving them the tools with which to think for themselves.

        Again I bleat about the Rule of Contradiction … if nothing else.

        But you’d be hard put to find any contradictions in ANY religion, or between/among religions; so I guess we’re stuck with the status quo. (Yes, Little Virginia, that was indeed …)

        So give the kids the God-damned tools, no?

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        1. Some ‘need it’ … but as one who believed (as a child) all that rubbish I now think a good cuddly teddy bear would be a better answer.

          Some belief systems do just that, in effect, with little wooden/metal/etc comforters you can hang around your neck …

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