Oh for gods sake – Blowing the wrong Horn

The quotes below are from a post that went up today and seem pertinent to a discussion I had with a chap called Bruce who blogs at   Reasoned Cases for Christ

It may have been posted for my benefit, but it could be also be coincidence so I’m not going to get too excited even though I am regularly told God loves me.


However …. when you are trying to demonstrate your point …


Four Reasons I Think Jesus Really Existed|Trent Horn.

This is a WordPress repost of an excellent article originally authored by Trent Horn. Aside from the excellent documentation, Trent Horn is an atheist historian, which makes the validation he provides noteworthy.

It is wise to ensure you have all your ducks in a row …



After his conversion to the Catholic Faith, Trent Horn earned a master’s degree in theology from Franciscan University of Steubenville, a master’s degree in philosophy from Holy Apostles College, and is pursuing a master’s degree in bioethics from the University of Mary.

As a staff apologist for Catholic Answers, he specializes in teaching Catholics to graciously and persuasively engage those who disagree with them. Trent models that approach each week on the radio program Catholic Answers Live, where he dialogues with atheists, pro-choice advocates, and other non-Catholic callers.

Trent is also an adjunct professor of apologetics at Holy Apostles College and the author of seven books, including Answering AtheismThe Case for Catholicism, and Why We’re Catholic: Our Reasons for Faith, Hope, and Love.


Sometimes I truly despair of the ignorance and desperation of these people.



Update. For those of you heathens who pop over/have popped over to read said post you will discover it has been amended, but no explanation or even a begrudging nod to that naughty heathen who first mentioned it is forthcoming.

Sigh … you’ll just have to take my word for it as I can’t be bothered to upload the screenshot. Not that I thought for a moment such a thing might happen behind my back, of course!

Christian apologists are too straight for that, right?

86 thoughts on “Oh for gods sake – Blowing the wrong Horn

  1. Trent Horn is an atheist historian, which makes the validation he provides noteworthy

    When atheists provide validation they are noteworthy, when the provide contradiction they are mindless heathens who don’t understand standards of evidence.

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      1. My own circuits were having a few troubles there—the old ‘trying to resolve contradictions thing’. I’ll try again later, right now I have to take The Spouse to town … an old dog’s life is ever so eventful. Thank God.

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          1. Don’t try it … cleaning the machine afterwards is long and messy process. (You’re meant to prick ’em a bit first, like with eggs.)

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  2. You can try to prove anything you want and cite any sources you wish to back up your claims. It all works out perfectly…when people don’t do their homework.

    A Catholic “defender of the Faith” and and atheist at the same time? Quite the resume this guy has.

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      1. Excellent point. Also I suspect this person actually did do their homework and was deliberately being deceptive. But I don’t want to accuse anyone of anything without all the information. I did plenty of that when I was a Christian.

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        1. Oooh … you little (former) liar for jesus.
          S’okay, Eusebius did it and he reckoned it wasn’t a sin.
          Ends justifying the means and all that, right?Yahweh understands, Ben and forgives you.
          Dominoes, Patricia, and Sanctions … or whatever those bloody Catholic heathens say.

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    1. Yes, I was going to remark on this but I thought I’d let this little bit of irreverent nonsense stand and see how long it took before one of you clever lot picked up on it.

      And first prize goes to …. Swarn!
      ( and the crowd goes wild)

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      1. he just writes faster than i do. (sulks)

        Does seem to be a bit of an oxymoron, there, unless he’s a historian keepiing tracks of historical figures who WERE atheists. Other than that, it makes no sense at all.

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          1. Yes. Well, I have some more images of my “thriving” and growing garden medley I can share in the meantime! I have this new variety of zucchini that — no joke! — grows VERTICALLY, north, as if reaching for HIGH NOON… not lying or flopping on the ground. Wanna see?

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    1. Anyway… I’m gonna get back to compiling all of my incredibly overwhelming evidence that Bigfoot/Sasquatch really does exist.

      NO!!! Stop asking me for Bigfoot bones or a carcass you numb-skull!!! Their burial practices are far more sophisticated and covert than we could EVER imagine! 🤡

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  3. I am a bit confused. Sorry but I always thought a person went through advanced schooling to learn things they did not know to expand their knowledge and learn what they do not yet know possible, yet it seems apologists go to advanced schools to validate what they already believe even if it is not true. Why pay and work for an advanced degree only to have it agree with what you knew before you went to school? What a waste of time and effort. But many of the big name apologist do that. The get meaningless advanced degrees to pretend to be a PHD ( like Kent Hovind ) but it means nothing. That angers me more than their stupid religions. I value education. They shit on it. Ah heck, what is it with these people that they are all about make believe. Did they not get over that as a kid? Do they need more * be a kid and pretend* time? They need a social sex life. ( muttering angrily ) Hugs

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    1. It’s all for the letters after the name and the pats on the back. They school this so you can wordsmith your way through life soundin impotent. Headscatching through this shit is making me bald.

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  4. So he’s done two separate Masters degrees, and is completing a third Masters? And all look pretty pointless. But you know what? If he wants to waste his own money and time that’s fine by me… If he’s trying to deceive other people, then that’s a whole another kettle of fish though.

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        1. One of author Terry Pratchett’s characters once moaned about how many kids go away to school and instead of learning anything they returned with an education!
          I always thought this an astute observation.

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          1. I would. He’s more entitled than any of the others … except of course that guy that clobbered the dragon … patrol sainted dragon-thumper of several nations, I believe, (The Georgians are rapt~!)

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      1. I hadn’t heard about this guy before you mentioned him. I guess he gives me a similar reaction to a dog trying to chase their own tail. He’s trying to defend his religion which isn’t really defendable. As a religion starts to fall, the more ‘apologists’ will come up trying to pointlessly save it – I see it as a symptom of a good thing. If it wasn’t for the fact that he’s trying to defend Catholicism, I wouldn’t care, but because of all the crap they’ve done, I wish no one would defend them.

        I do get annoyed at.the ‘in your face’ evangelist types like Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron though, but then again, who doesn’t?

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          1. Then I certainly won’t insult you with a prayer!
            But know I’ll be thinking of you – and maybe I’ll indulge in a Tarot reading , or some tea leaves!


          2. I demand you go on your knees this instant coffee!
            Talking of which, I wonder if coffee grounds work instead. Of course, with global warming, coffee is going to become an ever-scarcer commodity.

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        1. Yeah I’ve noticed that, plenty of places in the US where you can spend some money to get a nice piece of cardboard at the end. But the irony of a bioethics “university” being named after a lady who was impregnated against her will…

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          1. Against her will?

            I thought the culprits were messengers from God (God Himself, if you look at the larger picture … and how else could He have a Son, if not?).

            I think Mrs Jo was just a wee bit naive and ended up gang-banged by some enthusiastic con-men. An act of God that God wrote into the script before The Creation anyway … no?

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  5. The guy lives an hour and a half away from me and there are many closer than he is who feel the exact same way, I’m sure. 😦 They believe what they want to believe. . facts have no meaning to them.

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    1. Carmen … it depends on whose facts they are, no?

      If you can properly prove something it’s a fact—if you can’t, it’s an opinion. In my opinion all religions (except bull terrierism) are ghostie tales for infants. (And a good source of income for the clever unscrupulous.)

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  6. Here’s something to completely derail this thread (apologies to my blog buddy, Ark) She’s a student at the local High School (where I teach) and she’s only 15 (grade 9):

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