22 thoughts on “Why there is no way back for religion in the West

  1. I also wonder at those earlier figures, in the early 1900s: in those days you were a believer even if you weren’t. You were expected to be a church goer, and your children as well. You stood a poor chance of being hired or elected to any position if you professed any doubts.
    And if you were wise, you kept still about those doubts.

    So it well may be that we are not only turning away from religion, but we are also turning away more openly.

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  2. Amazing. I watched this very video less than 22 hours ago after it was recommenced to me by YouTube. And now you post it here, as well. Coincidence? I think not. It’s clearly a sign of Googly intervention.

    Alphabet Akbar!!

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    1. I included that video in a post of my own back in May. It’s an excellent discussion of a point that doesn’t often come up in the usual arguments about religion. Not surprising that many atheists eventually find their way to it.

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  3. Agreed. This is an excellent way to present such a thesis — calmly, and matter-of-fact, backed up by empirical trends in the stats.

    If theists in general understood evolution better, they might grasp this concept of generational replacement, rather than thinking it’s all about the individual de-converting or being persuaded to change their beliefs (Ah, but if most theists understood evolution better, they probably wouldn’t be theists. But that’s another whole issue).

    What’s interesting is to observe the prevailing demographic trends, and to note the overall decline in religiosity across the West; and to point this out as impartially as possible to ‘evangies.

    Oh, and to gloat just a little, too, I freely admit.

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    1. ChrisS:

      don’t you think he’d have done better with a ‘hellfire and brimstone’ tub-thumping approach? (It works so well for the Godly …)


      1. @Argus

        Hah! Yes!

        They only like fundamentalism and scare-mongering if they’re the ones doing it. Otherwise we get all these brilliant insights like: “Gee, Richard Dawkins has done Christianity a great service by sending people back to the Bible and winning new converts!”

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        1. Sending thinking fence-sitters to the Bible would win many more converts. I’m all for that … I challenge any sane person to read the Bible and not be converted. To agnosticism …

          Sane, I said … sheesh!

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  4. Just watched it…interesting and I hope he’s correct.

    I was not raised in a religious environment nor were any of my family or close friends religious. So it it utterly foreign to me in that people can seriously believe in this fantasy.
    I do think in the US it is still thriving in small rural areas and the Deep South, especially. I can see it is generationally changing, but ever so slowly in the US. Here it is very much a power and a money making thing and our educational levels are lower than say, Western Europe.

    I hope it happens here and we become much more secular or humanist, but the religious right isn’t going to give up easily.


    1. As a distant observer, I don’t know enough about public education in the US to really comment — other than it seems to be be underfunded and poorly managed — but evangelicals homeschooling their kids is one way of making sure educational levels (read: indoctrination) aren’t drastically altered, and that generational continuity is maintained.

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      1. Yes..you are so correct. It is definitely a control thing. It’s a shame parents feel they have to control rather than encourage their children to think for themselves.

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      1. Hadn’t seen that one before, Jim. It’s very mysterious — and disturbing — to see human beings in the throes of such hysteria. Reminds me of some of my sibling’s schizophrenic episodes.

        One thing seems clear, though: sure as hell doesn’t look like anything remotely “supernatural” or otherworldly is going on. Religious hysteria just resembles extreme mental illness. And I suspect those young kids– I think one might have been from the doco “Jesus Camp”– are simply aping what they’ve seen the adults doing at one time or another.

        Quite the little performers. Like something out of Miller’s “The Crucible.”

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        1. If there was a god, this is not the display I would expect to see. I remember the first time I ever saw these revivals it looked like a demonic mental breakdown, or breakdance, if there was such a thing. Thanks Chris$

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  5. That opening chart at 1:55 …

    I suggest an amendment:

    in the title change “by year of birth” to read “by Technological Advancement” — (with respect to years, of course).

    New Zealand … I know that place, it leads the world at everything …


  6. I grew up in a totally French Canadian Catholic family who emigrated to this country in 1920. Several aunts and Canadian cousins in that generation became nuns, my mother’s cousin Richard became a Jesuit priest.

    My grandmother, by the time I was old enough to understand, was no longer able to attend Mass, but by good fortune the duplex they lived in was in a direct visual line with the Catholic church. She could “attend” monring mass from her bedroom window, Rosary in one hand, Missal in the other. she knew the service so well she finished just as the doors opened and the people came out.

    My mother’s generation went to church, but not as devotedly, and by the time she died my mother hadn’t set foot in a church in 30 years. And my own generation, I really don’t know, Im a non-believer in all directions, all but one of my cousins is gone, and I suspect she’s none too devout, either.

    Generationally, yeah, we fit the mold.

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  7. The man (in the original video) is probably correct, but his forecast only presumes things will stay the way they are, that Western regimes will stand firm and that Western civilisation will continue in its current, consumerist vein. I suggest he’s wrong to do that. The new religion among young people – and even older ones – is drugs, because they provide the kind of spiritual ‘escape’ that the human psyche craves for. However, because ‘recreational’ drugs alter people’s minds, and sometimes irreversibly, I predict the eventual downfall of Western civilisation, and in fact it’s very close, the signs are already evident, especially in the UK where drug and alcohol abuse is rendering more and more people incapable of looking after themselves and becoming a drain on state resources, causing a spiral of poverty pitted against unbridled wealth accumulation by the rich, and at the same time suicide rates continue to increase. I shudder to think where it will all lead, but history gives us a clue.


    1. He is describing the gradual decline of religion in the West, and the graph he showed confirms the trend.
      Of course you predict the downfall of Western Civilization.
      In fact , as a Christian, I am surprised you aren’t on your knees every free moment praying for Jesus to come back and take you home.

      However, Nobs of one religious cult or another have been prophesying such monumental crap at every opportunity, and if John Z is reading along I guarantee he has a list of all the end time prophesies just waiting to bounce off of every fundamentalist’s head.


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