On the Wild side of Life: Why did Yahweh make the Earth?

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Oh, the gods! Pastrami Mel is at it again ….

Mel’s favorite go-to philosopher …

 

David Bentley Hart (theologian and paid-up member of the Greek Orthodox Church.)

The stunning truth is that this Triune God, in amazing and lavish love, determined to open the circle and share the trinitarian life with others.

Aside from the fact the Torah is testimony to just how murderous,revolting and unloving Yahweh is, the Trinity was manufactured by the Church, so, Mr Hart,  the ”stunning truth” is you are simply a disingenuous apologetic twit.

 

Pastor Mel said ….

You can believe whatever you want. You can call me a fool. It doesn’t matter what you think of me; it matters what God thinks of you. The Cross of Christ is His answer (John 3:16-17). We were created for something profound, beautiful, absolutely stunning and glorious—nothing less than intimacy and fellowship with Ultimate Love. And, from this Love, we live and move and have our being…today, tomorrow, and forever!

Says the man who worships a make-believe, egotistical, genocidal maniac.

Furthermore, we don’t really need to call Mel a fool, as he demonstrate this in glorious technicolor with every post  he puts up, especially when he plays Hugs and Kisses with the probable psychopath and his best bud, Branyan.

 

And, as John Z points out to Pastrami Mel time and again

Given the Creator didn’t need to create this synthetic, evolving world, Why did the Creator create it? For what purpose was the world intended? If we’re to assume *aseity, which is basic Christian theology, then we know Aquinas’ suggestion (that creation was some sort of an inevitable accident) is wrong. The synthetic world was created deliberately, wilfully, so what function does it (and evolution) serve? What was the Creator’s motivation in creating this sealed-off, evolving material scape?

Hear that? The deafening sound of silence.

 

Ark

 

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseity

 

Ark.

86 thoughts on “On the Wild side of Life: Why did Yahweh make the Earth?”

  1. I wasn’t going to look at this, but that damn peripheral vision! They have made up their answer and have made up their minds not to attempt to answer JZ’s question for about a year now. It’s a great question. An attempt would be interesting. They have defined god to the point of irrelevance. Had they not done that, the explanations are not that difficult.

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    1. Mel always does the Theological Two-Step around this question and his personal gob-awful description of Yahweh reads like something he’s been brainwashed with – much like as if it were a Government health notice on a cigarette packet that simply read: Its Good For You!!!!

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      1. They had to create a non-biblical God to stay out of the reach of critics. The Bible is obviously more than one god, and has properties that can be seen, wrestled, touched, with fingers and a shape. Keeping god as a glorified version of man provides ample explanation for why, but it had to become big, really big! Bigger than ever! Man, our god is so out there he’s nowhere.

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  2. John’s question is a great one, and really demonstrates my initial thought process as to why I started to question the whole God thing. What is this ultimate love, given that the omniscient creator must have know that most of us would fail the precious test he had set out for us. Giving us all about 60-80 years in the best of circumstances to determine what will happen to our souls for all eternity is a test so cruel and inhuman that we don’t even allow such practices on lesser creatures on our own planet (if other life forms could even be said to be lesser). Christian theology paints, at best, an absurd vision of a universe that I don’t know how anybody with a conscience can sign on to it, without ignoring vast portions of what it is saying and replacing it with some form of blind optimism.

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        1. One cannot help shudder at the mental gymnastics someone such as Mel has to go through to arrive at any scenario that involves Yahweh and Love in the same breath.

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    2. I still don’t see any reason—other than pure sadism—for an Omniscient to ‘test’ anyone. Not under any circumstances (other than delight in the testee’s sufferings*).

      Again I state that we would have to be the Omniscient’s toys—and He’s (by my standards) a rather unpleasant bastard. I’ll bet that He loves watching over the shoulders of little kids pulling the wings off of flies, or Nazi guards herding God’s Chosen People through the gaseries and incinerators.

      * And given that he’s eternal and omnipresent … that’s a truly awesome amount of vicious delight~!

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      1. Referencing an omniscient god who is ever ready with eternal punishment is probably the easiest way some Priests know to get the coffers filled …. or to get into the pants of kids.

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        1. That’s why they wear those frocks—quicker easier access.
          It goes right to the top, you know—more than one Pope died whilst in the act. And they don’t call those guys ‘The Swish Guard’ for nothing …

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    3. “…replacing it with some form of blind optimism.”

      In other words, that heart-thingy thingamajigger “Faith,” or blind faith. You know, that human behavior that is identically the same consistently for EVERYONE that ever lived in EVERY era! 😉 😄

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  4. Arguing about the reality in and of the Bible, and the attendant beliefs and religions, is a lot like arguing about which Cinderella story is real, and which Little Red Riding Hood tale is the right one?

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    1. It made me laugh out loud when I discovered Mel’s ”fav filosofer” , Bentley- Hart was a theologian and christian.

      I imagine a philosopher like Dan Dennett must roll his eyes reading the tripe Bentley-Hart writes

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  5. I have to ask … have you read the conversation between ib and me on this post of Wild Mel’s?

    It’s all about how Carl Sagan was really a believer in disguise. I mean like this statement by him was truly showing his “romantic, soulful, faith-based” side — Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy. SMH

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      2. Hilarious. What a revolting, lying little bitch she is.
        As she probably didn’t kiss her mother that much with her mouth I suppose it makes little difference.

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      3. Just had a peep at this Nan. Must say you mixed with very odd characters indeed, Insanitybytes very apt name, Branyan like a rottweiler on a short leash, and their guru? suffering verbal diarrhoea! I can imagine them sitting around popping pills and passing a spliff round.

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          4. @ Mister Z
            Well, John, do you live under a bridge and have a pathological fear of large Billy Goats?
            Come clean …. confession is good for you.

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          5. Even by Mel’s standards I found that one staggeringly odd. And cheap. Did you see he then tried to claim the post wasn’t written for me, then how he shut up when I showed him his own words from 30th Oct. saying he’d do the post for me? This is one of those times I really have no idea if he’s just a bold faced liar, or has serious mental/emotional deficiencies and really can’t comprehend his own behaviours.

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          7. Just read the updated thread.
            Good gods, he is as disingenuous as they come, isn’t he?
            It matters not which understanding he has of aseitic he simply refuse to offer a coherent answer to your question.
            Even I understand what you are asking. (I think?)
            If the Creator is all in all why on earth(sic) did he need to create a ”Plaything”?
            And, if Yahweh is ALL LOVE, why is his creation- and even some of his actions, the antithesis of this?
            Was he bored out of his box?
            Mel simply will not acknowledge he is inching along the ledge even though he is at some point , going to fall off.

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        2. Insanitybytes have a very fitting name indeed. They once said this about me: “This guy falsely believes he alone has the power to create God….. or to uncreate Him. Needless to say, he has that backwards and to overcome that conundrum, you simply have to surrender intellectually.” LOL.

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      4. @Nan: “So,on a more positive note, secularism really is to live in a disenchanted, somewhat cynical world of materialism. People absolutely crave the spiritual! The future of the church is indeed, ancient, and enchanted, and if we can just rediscover our spiritual roots, people will seek refuge there, people will be drawn into that truth.”<

        This from IB: this makes as much sense as anything I’ve read over there, How can the ‘future” of the church (and which church, btw) be ancient, and what the hell does ‘enchanted’ mean? Are we talking Disneyworld? Imaginary woo composed of unicorns and pink fairy dust?

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        1. Oh my … you just don’t “get it,” do you? Believing in the Big Guy and his double, the Little Guy, and that wispy “other one” is all about being unworldly — and enchanting, to boot!

          What REALLY got to me is her insulting my hero, Carl! What a twit.

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  6. While I think nothing of Mel, I have to say you guys keep me thinking and maybe getting some use out of my brain. Reading the post here, and the comments, got me to thinking something. The old timey Gods needed mankind because they were like humans, with the same appetites and desires. They need our world to play in and fulfill those desires. However the Christians came up with a God that is totally above all our wants and needs. He is all knowing and all powerful. So what the heck would a being like that need with mankind. Why would he care if a lowly creature who is finite and can never comprehend him worships him. To say he needs / wants us to worship him depowers this God. He has no needs or wants, he is all there is within himself. So again why mankind and all the other biblical crap. Look lets use Ark’s chickens as an example. Ark ( they say ) is a more evolved / developed creature than the chickens? Ark ( they say ) is sentient with the ability to reason? Ark ( they say ) has intellect? So to the chicken he would seem all powerful and all knowing, if the chicken were able to think about it. Yet Ark doesn’t demand the chickens worship him. He doesn’t demand they sacrifice one of their number to him and roast it so he can smell the burning flesh. Heck that would be something he would hate. But an all powerful / all knowing omnipotent deity wants our ancestors to make burn offerings to it? Really why would something so powerful and self contained as the Christian God want anything to do with us? We would be as much an annoyance as ants at a picnic. or religious fundamentalist. 😺🙀😎 Hugs

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      1. Thank you! I do try to use the old noggin now and again. Can’t do the thinking thing too much as the skull heats up and the fleas start to cook. 😜😋😄😃🤣 Hugs

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    2. And if we were regarded as little more than ants, this would bring into question why Yahweh created us in the first place?
      No matter which way you look at it, it simply does not make any sense at all.

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      1. Yes! Which makes me wonder about something else. Mel is educated. He clearly has more education than I do. Has this idea not occurred to him? Why build up a deity to worship who simply has no need or use for you? As you say it doesn’t make sense. So why does Mel try to defend or make a reason for his deity? Is it a personal need like others here have said. And if it is a personal need to have this God who wants him, does he have an emotional need / problem he needs to address medically? Just a thought. Hugs

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    3. Don’t go down that track, Scottie. Beyond here be monsters … content yourself with this thought (sadly not original to me)—

      In the beginning, God created man …
      … and Man promptly returned the compliment.

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      1. Argus you have solved the age old question of what came first the God or the god creator. ( chicken and egg thing ) Thanks. Hugs

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    5. Logically speaking, if we actually play the narrative out, the act of creation was an act of evil because it deliberately broke what was perfect.

      So. Many. Contradictions.

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        1. Seriously, I enjoy your intimate tete a tetes with Pastrami Mel – I love to see him metaphorically squirm, and you show him up as the ignorant disingenuous twit he truly is.
          But Branyan? You can’t even have a decent argument with someone who could well have psychopathic tendencies.
          His kid is the same.

          He jumps in simply to distract and derail, because he can see Mel is dribbling.

          He is the very epitome of incoherence and is simply is not worth any sort of response.

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          1. And that’s why I left him dangling. He really, really, really wants to explain how an omniscient being cvan be surprised (a brain fart, no doubt), but he can’t now without looking like a dick talking to himself.

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  8. I find it interesting that these apologists are always quoting the Gospel of John, you know the one that is so unlike the other three and was written far, far later than the other three, by someone far too young to have met Jesus even if he were a real person. There are four gospels and whenever there is a conflict, it is pretty much thee against one. John makes up shit wholesale in his campaign to create a god out of old Jesus. He hammers away at it making up stuff wholesale. And these apologists don’t give a FF, they just quote away as it they were the words of Yahweh’s hisself. Vile contempt is all I have for people being so miserably misleading. The Gospel of John is in the NT only because of politics, plain and simple.

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    1. Of course.

      It’s in The Bible. So it must be the Bible truth. Anything in the Bible is the Bible truth. Any contradictions are due entirely to your dumb limited atheist intellects being unable to fathom the mind of God and/or His prophets.

      Don’t feel too bad about it, greater minds than yours have failed under the challenge. So rather than look for reason, or stuff that makes sense … why not just take the lot of faith value and join the millions of others who are saved? And while we’re here, I understand Mel’s church will be funding free lobotomies for all who sign on in the next week …

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  9. I have always wondered why this particular god has left the rapture so dammed long. I would have thought back in the early days, let’s say around the crusader times or the witch burning era when Christians would kill to believe in the god of love and possibly when very few heathens existed, and Islam was not the fastest growing religion.

    If Mr Yahweh waits to long he will find the Muslims will outnumber the Christians and the atheists will be challenging the numbers of Christians who will be leaving faster than ever, therefore he will have bugger all to come back for.

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  10. According to what I used to tell people, God created the world/universe not because ‘needed’ to, but because His very nature… Love… Always seeks expression. We are the expression of His nature of Love.
    Word Salad

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    1. More or less what Pastor Mel says, and thus conveniently ignoring all the genocides slavery, incest, rape, murder, etc etc much of which he commands.
      Now there’s a god you want to work for, right?

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      1. Oh no… not work. Its all Grace. You can do nothing, are nothing and are worth nothing without Him.
        Besides, His checks are always late and would bounce like a rubber chicken if not for the “kindness and faithful giving of his generous and obedient children”.
        We pick up the tab because He’s Eternally short of funds.

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        1. Yeah, this god is all form, jet planes for scamming millionaire preachers while 20,000 children die every day from hunger and disease.

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          1. But it’s only Him working IN you. Its not really you, it’s the Holy Spirit manifesting in your life. You’re just a glove for his hand in the world. You do the work, He gets the credit. Visa or Discover accepted gladly

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          3. Don’t know what FA is… But no. Nothing is God’s fault. EVER!!

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          5. F stands for what a man and a woman might do for fun or to make child, A stands for all. I know you are having me on….

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          6. Ah… no. Christians don’t have fun with that. Its an act of faith and obedience too, meant only to “be fruitful and multiply” and eventually populate the world and then heaven with “white and delightsome” babies.
            If you’re having fun, then you’re in disobedience and blaspheming the Purposes of God. REPENT!!!

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          7. Doing a job on yourself is also not allowed so only baby making with a straight face, no smiling or grunting huh?

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          8. Allowed on the climax but only with thought to the glory and honor of God and the kingdom. It’s why we call gods name at that particular point

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          9. Cum to think of it (see what i did there) Christians shouldn’t have an issue with abortion at all. If the unborn already have souls and haven’t yet reached the “age of accountability” or the age of reason to accept the script that they’re Born Damaged, and without the ability to Repent yet, then they automatically… in gods grace… Go to be with The Lord who made them.
            It’s a good thing then, yeah?

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          10. Too true, and especially if the sex was for pleasure and it was an accidental child. I mean it would not be good for God if he knew, well he does know so it is good to abort and start again.

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          13. The Invented doctrine of by Grace/Faith alone has allowed psychopaths and other maniacs free reign all the live long day for millennia.
            I suspect Eusebius and Constantine worked it out together, thus allowing Constantine time to murder his son, wife and do other assorted nasty things, before he ”converted” on his death bed.

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  11. “…the probable psychopath and his best bud, Branyan.” Well, he may be a probable psychopath, but, gardarnit, he is one FUNNY mother effer!!! Hell, if I didn’t know any better, I’d swear to the genocidal maniac in the OT that he simply MUST be a gardarn stand up comedian. I mean, fer Jeebus sake, no one human should have THAT much effing humor in ’em. Christ, just the mention of his name, and I wet my pants with uncontrollable laughter. He really outta consider a job in stand up comedy. That kinda brilliance happens only once every century or so.

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