Don’t fear the Reaper.

When trying to justify belief in gods, and in the case of the god of Christianity, the qualifier that many prominent people from scientific fields believe so naturally, this must be the correct option to choose is about as  vacuous as suggesting we all eat manure as a hundred billion flies can’t be wrong, and this god created flies. 
KIA says:

Short answer I think you are saying Mel is that you no longer care if what you believe in your heart to be True is actually true. You embrace the possibility that what you feel and what you believe may in fact be a delusion. I’m sorry brother, I just can’t go there with you. Not anymore. I still care if it’s true or not. You seemingly don’t.

  • Mel Wild says:

    No, that is not what I said at all. You just took my last sentence out of context. I do care about what is true, I just don’t believe you’ll find it the way you think.

    Let me ask you a question. Why is Francis Collins a devout Christian and Richard Dawkins an anti-Christian atheist? They’re both brilliant scientists in their field; they both have the same data available to them in genetics and biology. And Collins was not raised as a Christian, but in an agnostic home. So, why did they make opposite choices in light of these things?

     

    Well, Mel … let’s find out why, shall we?

Listen from five minutes to around eleven minutes and he reveals the answer : Death Anxiety.

 

Ark.

Fabulous song by Blue Oyster Cult.

 


29 thoughts on “Don’t fear the Reaper.

  1. It’s natural that humans fear death. All animals have a survival instinct and fight against any threat to their existence, and humans have invested huge amounts of brainpower in technology and other methods to extend our life spans.

    But the fact that something would provide reassurance if it were true, is not evidence that it is true.

    Eventually medical technology will defeat aging itself and people will no longer need to die unless and until they choose to do so. I suspect that after that point, whatever remnants of belief in religion and an afterlife still remain will erode away very quickly.

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  2. Sounds like he shifted the burden by rigorously testing the evidence for the claim “there is no god” then refuses to do so for “there is a god” because… “well, how else could it all have happened?”. Classic argument from ignorance and incredulity.
    He should have started with examining evidences for the claim “there is a god”. Atheists don’t claim that there is no God. Only that they don’t believe on no or bad evidence for God.

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  3. This may seem a little vainglorious but I do not fear death.

    I do NOT look forward to making the transit, and hope that it comes like the proverbial ‘bolt from the blue’ without being painful or undignified … but fear of Death itself? No. Read on …

    I think that the state of being after death will be exactly like (or no different from) the state of being before birth. If you can remember what your universe was like (say) a year of thirty thousand before you were born then you have a head start on what it will be like after you have popped your clogs.

    I say again: you are just as dead before you were born as you will be after you go. No?

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    1. I take comfort in the fact that when I die what remains of me will be cremated and planted in the ground, or scattered, and go back to earth. Part of the cycle. Funerals are for the living, not the dead.

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      1. The cremation company we use for our animals (just one, so far) returns the ashes in a banana leaf urn with two other bags containing composted soil and seeds. You just remove the lid, mix it all together, and plant the box in the ground.

        Even though it’s been nearly three months since he ‘, we still haven’t been able to bring ourselves to take Brother on his last walk up into the hills. So, on the book shelf he sits.

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      2. JUDY:

        Bingo~! “Funerals are for the living, not the dead.” Exactly. And a good reliable source of income for some, those who provide the necessary mechanisms and dignity — and the vultures in frocks who (let’s face it) whilst shearing their sheep when most vulnerable also in some cases provide a little hope.

        But here in NZ more and more the dribbling priest is being replaced by the Registered Celebrant; which is a sign of progress. Thank you for triggering a future post (which will refer to a story I posted in this blog some time ago).

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        1. lol glad to help, argus.

          when the funeral director convinced my mother to take the casket with the inner spring mattress and the swansdown pillow, I asked him what the point was–he looked genuinely startled and said, “why for the comfort of the deceased, of course”. And my mother elbowed me in the ribs.

          It may have been just about then that I decided cremation was the way to go.

          No one is more vulnerable than a widow, or a mother, and they take that vulnerability and gallop witi it.

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          1. They try. I’ve booked myself in with our local guy in Winton, who once he realised I was in earnest stopped selling and entered the spirit of the thing.

            I told him that once I am dead to dispose of my carcass the ultimate most cheapest ‘ceremony-free’ way possible. I don’t want words, caskets, any form of ceremonial and I made the point quite clear.

            By the time I left we were on quite good terms and I think he’s actually looking forward to it …

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      1. First time was at a local venue called West Runton Pavilion about 82. It was a warm up for some big stadium tour. They played under the name ‘Soft White Underbelly’ (their original name) about two hundred of us twigged, what a show! Novel for the time the drum kit was linked to synths, brilliant sound effects, Thor’s teeth they were loud, bearing in mind I had watched Motorhead, Iron Maiden etc. Happy days.

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  4. Dr Leo Marvin and Bob Wiley already found a cure for death anxiety. Collins obviously needs to read Baby Steps and watch What About Bob. Interestingly after deconversion the fear of dying has slipped from my grasp. It wasn’t intentional or thought out, but the entire religion itself plays that AS a fear you should have and they sell it that way, creating a problem and then a solution. Clever, but not very productive to live in fear of anything.

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    1. Surprisingly or unsurprisingly while I was still a christian it wasn’t the fear of death 💀 that was the real issue ( this phobia existed) rather it was the fear that when I die I discovered I was not good enough for the pearly gates and my place was down the basement

      Once I got past the fear of hell, the fear of death went away with it

      PS: Hell is what made christianity popular

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  5. What I do not understand is how a delusion changes anything. Surrounding yourself with people who believe they are going to heaven, when most are destined for Hell (according to their own theology) merely provides some misguided comfort as well as wasting a great deal of time.

    We all still die! That doesn’t change. So, it isn’t fear of death that is involved, it is fear of ending of not continuing. But why do we not mourn not existing before we were born? If our souls are immortal, why be born in the first place? Or are new souls being created all of the time and, if so, why? The whole idea is childish and foolish. They might as well take comfort in a blanket, or a doll or an invisible friend as children do.

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  6. however, if you are utterly terrified of the idea of death, you do tend to take comfort from any stories that make an afterlife valhalla-like. Even primitive tribes who have their own totems and gods, have heaven-stories and aspirations. That tells me it’s a natural mindset for us, as humans, to need to believe in an afterlife, especially when death is so mysterious. no one ever comes back to tell us how it was.

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    1. The belief in an afterlife is more of a consolation to the bereaved than anything. It kind of the result of not accepting that your dead fellow is really gone

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