Jesus in Wonderland.

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Ignorance is one the greatest allies of  those who promote lies under the guise of truth. In fact, I would venture that, many of these Liars for Jesus are, in many respects, just as ignorant as the sheep they would shear.

Archaeology, while not an exact science, is often replete with enough evidence that a conclusion can fairly confidently be drawn: for example, it’s not too difficult what conclusion can be drawn from the fact there are no pre-Cambrian fossilized rabbits!

And this short video might illuminate certain areas of geographical ignorance some of you might have regarding the stamping ground of everyone’s favorite god-man, Jesus of Nazareth.

Grab a coffee and a sandwich, and take ten minutes to brush up on your ”Jesus Geography”.

 

 

Ark.

54 thoughts on “Jesus in Wonderland.”

  1. Excellent video explanation. The entire thing was made up. A fiction story, perhaps? Well, faith can only exist due to lack of evidence. Looks like they took that model very seriously.

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    1. Aerosmith have a song titled Chip Away The Stone.
      I view understanding Christianity in much the same light.
      Mythicists are regarded as crackpots, and because of (specific areas of) ignorance ( on their part) get bulldozed by apologists. Even John and Steve, and others, ( me too in the past) as potent as their arguments are, allow dipshits like Mel and Branyan enough leeway to wriggle out of every challenge.
      But these detractors are more often than not equally as ignorant, if not more so, of such things as presented in videos like this.

      Humphries, while he can be bitingly sarcastic at times, is a hundred times more well-versed in this subject than the vast majority of believers, including the likes of Pastor Mel & Branyan and their ilk, who either refuse to venture into these badlands or dismiss them out of hand, lest it turn their faith to dust – which is what it has done to a great many former members of the clergy.

      The more one understands of the history of this ridiculous and vile religion the less the opportunity for the Apologists to try to brow- beat opponents.

      I have mentioned before that, the internet is where religion comes to die and I don’t doubt for a second that every moment kids (especially) are turning to the internet to see how easily overturned are all the dumb-arse arguments put out by their adult Christian minders.

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      1. The LDS have the same problem as the video shows. An entire book of fictitious places and people with zero archaeology to confirm it and it created great “faith” in its members. Less evidence = more faith no matter how ridiculous the story. The Bible story has just been peeled down to nothing significant and believers will dismiss it as pseudo or the evidence is coming soon. You just watch! You’ll all be sorry.

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        1. Aaaah …. but when all these obviously factually undeniably historically truthfully biblically …. tales were first uncovered there was no internet.

          But, believers mustn’t despair, because there’s … Super Mel!!!!!!!

          Kiddies, are you experiencing doubts about going to Hell? Are you afraid to confess to your optician the real reason why you’re eyes are getting worse and are you scared the neighbours’ might find out just how much you love them …. well, their hot 17 year old daughter.

          Fear not, you can still be the recipient of Other Centered Love. Just pop along to your nearest Cornerstone Church, purchase your Mel-liferous T-shirt, publicly state your hatred for religion, confess to being ambivalent and ambiguous about evolution and all your cares will just melt away and you can rest assured that the second you deconvert you WILL be going to Hell. And remember …. Jesus loves you.

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          1. Due to the internet, the growth of all churches is limited to fertility and converting the very poor. Funny how the wise seers of the past were unable to see internet—the biggest, ubruptuous change in all humanity somehow missed the prophetosos.

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          3. You see what a couple hundred followers will do for conversation? His followers were purchased with a price, and the things of the spirit cannot be measured. They’re ghost followers? He should have a thousand likes and comment every day, but like faith, nil on even the obvious evidence.

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          4. I just looked to check on the figure and it seems his Groupie Counter no longer features.
            Maybe he was gripped by a little Honesty Fever and removed it? Or perhaps Jesus flicked him on the ear and said: ”Oi, Dickhead! How about telling the truth for a change?”

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          5. The truth will set you free from followers. I saw his count a while back too and all his followers commented in Sanskrit—and gibberish

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      2. Many folks can co-exist in two ‘realities’. Hence the folks you’d never know when interacting in the street, shop, mall, sports fields were Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Moslems, or any one of many millions of followers of thousands of ‘One-True-Faiths’.

        Facts cannot defeat faith, no matter what the faith is.
        Sometimes, just sometimes, a person can be converted from the one true faith to another one true faith, or even to Agnosticism—but rarely by rational ‘argument’.

        It’s all the more difficult if they are inculcated 24/7 from before they could even walk—which is why the religions hammer home that particular point.
        Which is why I state (lone voice in the wilderness?) that we MUST teach the young to think. Rationally.

        Unless they are overridden by a greater power (rabbi with a big stick, Imam with a stoning …) they will sort it out for themselves.

        Knocking a branch off a tree ain’t gonna kill the tree, but what if you get to the roots?

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  2. Once upon a time there was a small village with no name that everyone called “Noname” and the few people who lived there, when they traveled, amazed other travelers with the stories of their amazing town. Towers, they said, too high to see the tops of. Fields filled with flax and corn. Beautiful women.
    But where IS it? strangers would ask. How do we get there?

    And the people of Noname would smile and say, travel east. You’ll know it when you come to it. And if your heart is right, you’ll find it easily.

    Later, scholars wrote down these stories, capturing their magic and beauty in lovely drawings and paintings. No one could find them, but they had the stories, and soon people began to believe they really had found it once, when they went walking with their mothers, on the way to distant markets, or relatives. The stories were then collected in a large volume, and called “The Noname stories”, illustrated and supplemented with tales of sorrow and bravery.

    And it became the Book. You know, That Book.

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    1. I like Humphries’ approach as it is simple and straightforward. And his delivery is measured and he speaks clearly.
      Carrier is good, but he tends to go over the heads of most people, and I believe his approach would gain far more traction if he targeted the more middle of the road individual.
      A video like this is far easier to understand than, say, an hour long lecture on Bayesian Theory and where it applies to the historicity of Jesus.

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  4. You might want to add IB to the names above. She’s been getting rather “into it” lately as well.

    You know, I try. I really try … to take a neutral viewpoint and understand where Mel is coming from. But again and again, his arguments and reasoning are so far out in left field that I’m amazed that HE even knows what he’s talking about! A bunch of words strung together to impress the ignorant.

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    1. IB was included as part of the ”ilk’.

      Oh, the difference between Mel and Branyon is becoming more blurred with each post.

      But he/they get away with it because he post on topics that he can argue about and all said and done there is no way to truly pin him down.
      This is why he is so evasive regarding stuff like Creationism and Evolution and archaeology etc and why he (as far as I am aware) never posts on the hard sciences.

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      1. You can’t pin him/them down, Ark?

        Why bother?

        Why not just defeat his argument—shoot his horse before it even leaves the gate? Pull the rug out from under the horse and who cares what the jockey is bleating?

        You can’t often (possibly never) defeat the truly ‘saved’ but you can open the eyes and ears of folks who might not know any better than to accept such drivel.

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          1. Shifting target, then? Good … about time too. Let the mentally challenged sods shiver in their own little world; just prevent the oral excreta from spreading—which can only be done by the astute application of facts.
            Apply to receptive/enquiring minds and you are home and hosed.

            Arguing with a door-knob is a form of mental masturbation, Ark. Defeating his points dispassionately might just hold the key. (No, this ain’t censure, no way.)

            We are up against a foe whose name is Legion …

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      2. He would never post on the hard sciences because he does not even understand simple chemistry. He claimed he spent plenty of money at university to learn about electro chemical reactions, however he and IB both claimed they were physical and material reactions, but of course science says they are chemical reactions.

        They both decided they had reasons why they were correct, and science was wrong, anyway what I quoted to prove my point was totally ignored, and this goes on to the subject of just how good they are of total ignorance to the point that evidence and facts are not relevant for them.

        I would ask how can adults with half a brain get to this state? Indoctrination must be able to reach right inside the brain of some people.

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        1. ANYTHING that can be vaguely tied to the real world he will attribute as material/naturalist/scientism, and hence, something that falls outside the realm of his god, and yet at the same time claim his god is responsible for.

          I read you exchange. You might as well try to discuss thermodynamics with your dog.

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    2. Two factors here … the olden people were often actually far better travelled than our ‘histories’ might suggest, even though the poor buggers had no GPS. To add confusion many places had the same names. Brrr.

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      1. @ Argus. Can you give more details on what you mean by more traveled. I admit right up front I have not studied any of that time in history. However it would seem to me using what little common sense I can muster it would be hard for people to do much traveling from their own town. They would have had to walk all the way, carrying supplies. Then life was hard and they had to do what ever it was that made their living and gave them food, and so they would be leaving that undone. Family would either have to walk with them or be left behind ( some might have preferred this ) but again that seems a hardship. I may have missed a bunch of other factors. Thanks. Hugs

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        1. My sense in all of this is that many if not most of these people were nomads, in one way or another. Their idea of a city was possibly the one they carried on their donkey’s backs, and the idea of sleeping out under the stars was not an adventure, it was what you did.
          Remember this was a desert environment, and not that removed from primitive cultural practices. Tents, blankets, hides, and a herd of goats or sheep and they were a ‘city’.

          That may be why the cities mentioned in the bible aren’t found, because they were the home of desert gypsies, and the name of the tribe might well have been the name of the ‘city’ referred to.

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          1. Could be Judy. Yet the video had a lot of known towns and “cities” which would mean some large groups of people were settled in those places. They would have their livelihood there also. I admit this is confusing, it is hard to reconcile the two ideas of a nomadic people who travel a lot and the settled live in towns and cities people. Hugs

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        2. It wasn’t just the rich or desperate that travelled. We tend to believe that people never left their home village of birth, and for many this could well be true. But it surprised me when reading to discover how many quite simple folks were well travelled.

          If you had a trade and could carry your kit, and were adventurous enough, you could—and many did—go anywhere.

          If I had my own time again and knowing what I now know I’d pour my heart and soul into mastering every form I could of the Noble Art of Cooking. That, I think, would be the most portable skill of all …

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      2. HAH! And people too back then! I mean, HOW MANY Marys, Johns, and Josephs (etc, etc) must we sort through until we get to the correct one!? 1,000? 5,000? 😳 JEBUS-H-HELL! Will the REAL Waldo just standup!? Raise your hand!? Umm, but not both of them… you might get crucified. 😄

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  6. “…for example, it’s not too difficult what conclusion can be drawn from the fact there are no pre-Cambrian fossilized rabbits!” This is easy! The pre-Cambrian rabbits were outta town the day the fossilization was taking place.

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  8. Part-way through:

    so how big does a place have to be to perform a few miracles, hmmmm?

    Last time He visited my humble abode God changed water into wine in my lean-to shed …
    (Okay, I lied. Not wine, it was beer) (bloody good drop too …)

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      1. I remember that after the five thousand had gobbled their fill there was still enough left to provender the ark. (If you had vegetarian lions and hyenas and rattlesnakes and things that go BONK in the night just outside your window and the missus can’t get to sleep until she’s sent you out to investigate …

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  9. Oh, wow. (It won’t make any difference though.) But I shall nonetheless repost this vid on my own blog.

    Interesting that shot of the wee coastal town (Caesarea), showing that the tide has come in a fair bit since the submerged structures were built. Perhaps we faithful should seek our God underwater—

    So how long can we hold our breath …

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  13. Interesting suppositions, but no proof that I see. Names change. I miss Persia. It was such a pretty name. Would you claim Persia never existed? God put in the Bible what was important. Knowing that Jesus was baptized is important; knowing where, not so much. I need to know that Jesus died for my sins and accepting Him as my savior will get me into heaven. Maybe he didn’t visit all the towns in the area but did he need to? He had disciples to spread his teaching. Many leaders were jealous of Jesus and probably didn’t want to write about him. Most kings knew of his popularity and feared that he might take over their kingdom.

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    1. @ quirkywritingcorner. I have to ask about your statement “God put in the Bible what was important.”. Really with all the translations, copy errors, mistakes in punctuation’s, mistakes in grammar, and simply wrong information in the bible, how can you claim God put anything in that book? The fact that individual books included were chosen by a vote of men a couple of different times and then to add to it all we know of manuscripts that were not included but found later that disputes stuff included in the man chosen texts. Hugs

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