The Problem of Sin

It is claimed by the god-botherers that it was man’s fall (from grace?) that caused the dinosaurs, for example, to become meat-eaters with all those sharp pointy teeth. Prior to this we were all plant-eaters, and all lived side by side in perfect harmony the live long day … tra la la.

So, in deference to the god-botherers, but still managing to maintain my integrity and a reasonable measure of sanity I found a way around having to worship that bloody bramble-crowned human sacrifice you see hanging from a piece of wood every so often and return – sort of – to at least a partial state of sinlessnessnessnessnessess, which I adopted a couple of years ago.

( I know how to start spelling sinlessness, I just struggle to stop).

And here’s the solution:

Stop eating meat and return to the Eden-like state we were once in. Though it would probably be best if you utilise more than a fig leaf for your attire.

See? Cosmic Harmony restored.

Go forth and sin no more …

And these guys below will agree wholeheartedly.

 

 

 

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116 thoughts on “The Problem of Sin

  1. “But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance; and he *saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.”

    There you go, Ark. God wants you to kill little animals and eat them! Says so right in the book of Acts!

    (This passage isn’t really about eating meat. But context doesn’t matter when I’m talking to you.)

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    1. As Acts is now recognised as all but a work of fiction I could care less how much or how little context you wish to infer.

      But it might do your soul the power of good if you went and did a spot of work in a pig farm for a couple of weekends.
      See how bacon sandwiches are really made! Yummy!

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      1. A guy in my Bible study is a pig farmer. He’s got thousands of swine. I’ve been to his place many times. One particularly memorable afternoon they were castrating the little boars. Great fun!

        I sincerely hope your religious suggestion catches on because that will leave more bacon for me!

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            1. I think many of us, vegan or not,would have little trouble thinking of several places about your person where you might be encouraged to shove a rather large cucumber.
              And seeing as there is plenty of space between your ears ….

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                1. Sorry. I’ll be sure to label ALL future quote as pro-vegan so you can remember the conversation.

                  This is another pro-vegan bumper sticker:
                  “I’m a Vegan so Pigs Are For Porking”

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                2. Ark, did it ever occur to you that JB’s here to get some new material for his comedy routines? I just know he’s going to take all your best lines . . . 🙂

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                3. @ jb

                  I thought of another one for you personally, Doug:
                  “I Like Nude Pictures…of Pigs!”

                  Ah … as you are the resident expert, I was wondering when you would pull out the porn metaphors. Do have one for your former drug abuse days as well?

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                4. Yep. My first three applications were rejected by God. But I persevered

                  By God(sic) himself … oops, sorry Himself?
                  You were that special? Wow! Good for you. The Big Dick considered the application from the Dickhead.
                  I suppose there is certain amount of poetic justice there if one cares to think about it.

                  I suppose you promised to shovel shit in Yahweh’s rose garden, yes?
                  Did you check to see if the acceptance of your grovelling actually included a shovel?

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                5. LOL…happy to oblige!
                  I do not live in a monistic or binary framework. You have enlightened me! I’m Calvinist, Arminian, Atheist, Christian, Jew and Muslim all at the same time.

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                6. HAH! All comedic-nonsense aside, are you SURE that’s what you want to go with? Is that seriously your final answer? LOL 😩 And if so, do you even realize how you are presenting yourself!? Take your time on that answer; think long on it JB before you answer.

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                7. HAH! Are you calling your own philosophy comedic-nonsense? Are you SURE that’s what you want to go with? LOL 😀 All that stuff you said about binary philosophies was a joke?

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                8. Geeezzz, JB… we both have better things to do and spend valuable time on than going around the questions, dancing in tutus avoiding direct simple questions. Can you not just answer sincere open questions about what you mean/meant exactly? Is that really so difficult? 😒

                  If you don’t want to answer that’s fine; say so and lets be done with it. I have no desire to waste your time, mine, or anyone else’s here. Fair enough?

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                9. Geeezzzz, Taboo…have you figured out that your nonsensical worldview has bitten you in the ass? Is that why it’s time to detach? Are you saying that your philosophy is a waste of time?

                  I answered your question. And I noticed that you didn’t answer mine. 😉

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                10. You have a good day and weekend AND a bad day and weekend AND a neutral day and weekend AND an infinite number of other possibilities in this magnificent, non-binary universe where EVERYTHING is true simultaneously! 😉

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    1. It surprises me no end that one such as him not only feels comfortable calling himself a Christian but seems to revel in being as disgusting as he can possibly be.

      That his blog is open to the ”christian” public, and one can presume members of his church and the audience he plays to , says a lot about their taste in …. and please excuse the term … comedian .

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  2. Hello Ark. The post was great and had two points. The comments where J.B. was destroyed with his own cooperation was a hoot. But about this sin thing. I don’t care if that hoary old despot of a deity from the christian bible ( babble ) ever was proven even .001 % might be true I wouldn’t worship the asshole no matter what. This who garden of Eden visit the sins of the father down the line for ever on the sons and daughter sickens me. I think at one time or another we all have been held accountable for what someone else did that we had no control over. Now add that to being punished for something someone you never knew who lived a seriously long time ago in a galaxy, ( oops sorry ) in a country far far way, for something they couldn’t even know was a crime. You could draw this out. But if your God does that. No wonder his own people rebelled against him. Sorry Ark, that was bugging me, now back to the roasting ( bad choice of words ) of J.B. I like that better anyway. Be well. Hugs

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  3. The problem is that the Bible is so full of contradictions that you can pick any diet and justify it. In general the idea that God made the universe for man, and all the little animals in it for our benefit seems to be the conceit that makes any amount of suffering to Earth and the other non-human creatures on it justifiable. I think we would still be eating meat without religion, probably not us much though and we’d be using much more of the animal.

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    1. I truly, deeply, madly hope synthetic (cultured) meat destroys the live animal trade in my lifetime. You still can’t even get it here in Brazil, but have heard its making inroads in the states. You ever tried it?

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      1. I have not tried it. I don’t even know where to get it. But I live in a fairly rural area. I think it will still be a while before we give up eating animals. It will be a rather slow cultural change. The meat industry will fight back with talk of synthetic meat causing cancer, then trying to compete by raising more ethical meat. It’s going to be awhile I fear.

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        1. The meat industry is the problem here. JBS is the world’s largest meat producer/exporter and they are so far in-bed with the politicians that I’d be surprised if a license for sale would even be issued. Same thing with Ikea. Casas Bahia is the local equivilant, although shittier, and Casas Bahia is the countries No. 1 advertiser (making the TV stations happy), and the politicians want the TV stations happy so, no Ikea, ever, thank you very much. The depth of corruption in this country is truly astonishing.

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          1. Yeah corruption appears in different forms in different countries…in some places it’s blatantly obvious. I feel like in the U.S. there is just as much money changing hands that shouldn’t, it’s just all legal here and less in your face. Clever corruption. India was (perhaps is) still similar. The kind of corruption where you just tell tourists to give the police a bit of a bribe if they claim you’ve done something wrong and they’ll go away.

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                1. HAH! I can’t. And let’s not forget “the Hand of God” in the 1986 FIFA World Cup in Mexico that soon won them the (2nd) Jules Rimet Trophy as world champions! Hah! Corruption I tell ya, corruption everywhere! Just like in God and his bible and people! Everywhere!!! 😀 😉

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        2. Do what I did.
          I was sitting at the computer and the dog had her head in my lap and she looked up at me ( it was nearly dinner time so she was hungry I guess) and for some reason I looked right back at her and thought:
          How could anyone eat a dog?
          (and of course they do, don’t they?)
          And that was it. I walked into the kitchen, with Bobbi tailing behind, and said to my wife and children as gently as possible so as not to cause any upset that, from that moment I was going to be vegetarian.
          I promised that I would cook for myself if it would be an issue.
          There were looks of surprise and finally: ”Okay … fine.”
          And that was it.
          Never looked back. Best dietary decision I ever made. Don’t miss meat for a second. Should of done it a long, long time ago.

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          1. I don’t argue the ethics of eating meat anymore. I know that being vegetarian is the more ethical position, but as someone who loves to cook, loves the variety of taste sensations, and with many meat dishes being part of culture, childhood, etc, I know my views are largely biased. I know I would definitely miss meat. Maybe there will come a time when I wouldn’t but I literally can’t imagine such a scenario right now. Maybe in the end I just lack empathy in this area. I don’t have strong bonds to pets and really would prefer a life where I didn’t have any. My wife likes cats so we have cats. I like cats too, but still would prefer not to have cats. Mostly I just don’t enjoy them. I enjoy people so much more. I hate picking up animal feces, I don’t want to have to take animals to the vet, I don’t want to have to take them for a walk…Now you know my deep darkness Ark. I hope you can forgive me. Otherwise I’ll have to ask for Jesus’ forgiveness. 🙂

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            1. I could direct you to numerous videos on the topic but that would be mean … and I am really not a mean person.
              My decision to quit was much like when I finally stopped smoking. Was a case of enough is enough.
              Thank goodness there are no addictive qualities to meat, ‘cos quitting smokes was Hell!
              But to hark back at the dog analogy.
              My sister is vegan and she occasionally drops videos in my FB page. ( I have asked her not to any more)
              One such being the Dog Eating Festival in China. Yes they actually have a festival! WTF! You better believe it.
              I managed about 30 seconds and almost threw up and had bad dreams for a week.

              I struggle to walk past the butchers department at the supermarket these days and usually wander off and look at the cereal or something! I kid you not.

              C’est la vie.

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              1. I’ve seen the videos before…believe me. As people have tried. I just don’t have the same feeling of disgust. I still wouldn’t eat a dog, but I also don’t value life more because it bears more similarity to me than some other life. Why should the death of a chimpanzee be more sad than the death of a lobster? Yet many would make a distinction..some would not? I know why people would react more strongly to animals that bear more resemblance to us, but it doesn’t make any life less important. That’s the way I look at it, which I know isn’t a popular opinion, but I think there is good reason to believe that consciousness is not a binary but simply a continuum and life consumes life. It’s very possible that I have adopted this outlook because I eat meat, I admit that, but honestly not eating meat because of it’s impact on climate change is more of a compelling argument to me. Which is why I don’t claim in any ethical superiority here. All I can promise is that I keep trying to strive towards more ethical decisions in what I do, and try to increase the amount of good I do in the world, and I hope that one day I will become a vegetarian.

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                1. I don’t eat fish either. No animal.
                  I understand your position.

                  I know John Z strips down to his boxers on Sunday and runs through his garden eating all the caterpillars and worms he finds! Bloody heathen that he is.

                  …but honestly not eating meat because of it’s impact on climate change is more of a compelling argument to me.

                  I imagine the animals would cheer you for not eating them whatever reason you offered!
                  🙂

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  4. I can go without beef and pork but living here in Southwest Florida, I can’t resist shellfish. I’m at least humane about it. I don’t boil any of the little creatures while they’re still alive ! 🙂

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    1. I can’t belief we used to do that in our house, when I was a kid. Not often, mind you, usually for Xmas, lobster, but when I discovered you could just put them in the freezer and they’d quietly go to sleep (dead) I was appalled at what we’d done until then.

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  5. An excellent solution Ark! We were either “given” our brains to use and use exceptionally well, or… over the last 160,000 years we’ve certainly evolved, learned, and passed on the improved genetic coding to our descendents! Unfortunately, because of kind, good, intelligent Homo sapiens, there are STILL Neanderthals and Gigantopithecus around us that we must deal with and TRY to properly educate and DROP their very antiquated ideologies! Life, this world, and its people have changed entirely compared to 2,000 – 3,000 years ago. C’mon now… catch-up people! LOL 😛

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  6. I read this on CARP’s site (Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry) addressing cursing as a sin. What a load of crap their initial response is, “To determine whether cussing is a “sin,” we need to first discuss what sin is, and second define what cursing, swearing, or cussing is.”

    They go on to say, “Scripture has much to say about how Christians ought to use their tongues. Jesus specifically taught that what comes out of a man’s mouth is evidence of what is in his heart. Luke 6:45 says, “The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.”

    And CARP’s conclusion about cursing, “We can conclude that from the biblical definition of sin, our overview of cursing, and Scripture’s many expressions on the use of our tongue that it is without question a sin to curse.”

    Well, their Jesus cursed the fig tree therefore Jesus was a sinner. Notice this was done in front of witnesses.

    Jesus Curses a Fig Tree and Clears the Temple Courts
    Mark 11:12-25 New International Version (NIV) 12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it.

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        1. Well, there was meant to be a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek to the post.
          But YECs do actually believe all animals were plant eaters, including Dinosaurs such as T-Rex and Allosaurus before ”The Fall ( I am not referring to autumn, of course)

          It is primarily a vegetarian post … I am one after all … so I thought why not throw in a bit of God-Humour at the same time?

          If you are thinking I am missing anything in particular please, feel free to point it out, no problem.
          Oh, and welcome to my blog!
          Make as much noise as you like. John Branyan does and I am absolutely certain you will be funnier than he is.

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          1. Being a follower of Christ has nothing to do with being a vegetarian or eating meant. So I can’t even take that serious an inch.

            They fall of man is what is responsible for the wickedness and disorder that exist on earth today. The world before the fall was peaceful and harmonious…

            The death of Jesus on the cross, as shameful as it was, worked for the redemption of mankind. But the proof of the victory lies in Him resurrecting from the dead.

            So true Christians follow a living Lord, the One who overcame death. So you can see why the picture you painted in the post is so laughable?

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            1. @ VictorsCorner your write

              Being a follower of Christ has nothing to do with being a vegetarian or eating meant.

              Well that really depends on the sect of Christianity. When I was a member of the SDA church one of the tenets of the church was not to eat meat. They rationalize this because the bible calls on us to be stewards of our bodies. To keep them healthy in gods name and to do his will. Then also their Prophet Ellen G. White told us the meat industry was going to become corrupt and the way of producing meat would become poison to the body. Even back then they were industrializing the farms, and it was thought that would kill people. Hugs

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              1. The Bible says that the Kingdom of God is not in meat and drinks… So if anyone choses to abstain from either of them, let it be by personal conviction. Let it not be that someone forces him or her to do so. Without faith in Christ, nothing else counts for eternal salvation.

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                1. @ V.C. your line

                  ….let it not be that someone forces him or her to do so.

                  You may want to flesh that out. It sounds like you are saying it is OK that someone forces him or her to salvation or faith, or some crazy stuff? Personal conviction is what having faith and all that religious jazz garbage. Hugs

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            2. Yes, but in the Garden, Adam and Evelyn were plant eaters, and until they sinned so were all the animals, such as,Great White Sharks, T-Rex, Allosaurus,Velociraptors, Lions and Tigers.
              I can’t make the animals all become plant eaters but as an animal myself I can make the choice not to eat them, at the same time acknowledging that it would be a tough call if ever I had an encounter with a Great White.

              I think crucifiction for a bit of rabble rousing was a very harsh punishment. But, then. the Romans weren’t very tolerant in those days.
              But to worship a human sacrifice is simply awful.
              Maybe you should reconsider?

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              1. You missed it again. The death of Jesus on the cross was a means to an end, not an end in itself.

                We do not worship the Cross. We worship the One who overcame the power of the cross. He is alive, not dead. Understanding this makes alot of difference.

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                1. I never miss anything when it comes to religion … believe me.
                  You cannot demonstrate in any manner whatsoever what this ‘means to an end’ is.
                  Like your Hell, it is simply dogma.

                  I did not and never have said that you worship the cross upon which the character was executed.

                  You worship a human blood sacrifice.
                  This is a fact.

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                2. “He is alive, not dead.”

                  Please let us know what he looked like so we’ll be sure to recognize him. Also, where did you last see him? Was he eating at a local diner? Dancing in the streets? Reading a book at the library? Or perhaps he was working in the garden?

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  7. Just another observation Ark about dancing around questions in tutus…

    It is not an unreasonable stretch in the least for the Inquirer to infer from such avoidance and dancing, that the question(s) asked of the “dance-performers” either scare them or they simply have no logical answer. That’s an observation I have right now. LOL 😉

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  8. I can understand how someone can become a vegetarian, I recall seeing the disgusting methods of animal slaughter in one of these overseas countries to where Australia sends live animals. No regulations and nobody cares, not least than both governments. I do eat meat, however I understand we do have some regulations and compassion compared to these backward countries that carry out atrocities on animals and humans alike.

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      1. No thank you Ark, I cannot stand watching such inhumane behaviour. I avoid stuff like that. I have seen a lot of evil stuff involving humans, however animal cruelty is one bridge too far for me.

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  9. Can’t decide whether to laugh or cry, yikes! All I know is meat or lack thereof is a personal matter, nobody’s business but your own.What the person next to me had for breakfast matters as much as where they plan to spend the afterlife. In a nutshell, I don’t care one iota ( granted, I dedicate that iota to Ark ) That said, there’s no disputing the abhorrent practice of mass produced pork, beef and poultry.

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  10. All good clean fun and keeps folks off the streets … but piggies aren’t vegetarians.
    And they are opportunists: there was a New Zealand farming-type lady had a piglet that she lovingly raised into a huuuuuge (pet) pig.

    She was out doing the rounds one day when she collapsed unconscious. When she awoke, still on the ground, she was aware of one helluva lot of pain in her leg, and when she recovered enough she saw her massive wee piggy was eating her. Leg.

    When she recovered enough she got herself back to the house, gathered her rifle and rather unsportingly popped off said beast.

    I have no idea whether pork was on the menu in her home. (I remember reading it in one of the newspapers but pleeeease don’t ask for the source, years ago now.)

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  11. I am ignorant (~!) of Calvinism. Onboard dictionary helpfully said they believe in predestination … which blows it for Free Will then.

    But I’ve said that before (does anyone ever listen? Nooooo … I think I’ll go kill something, and roast it for God as a penance) (She’ll understand …)

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    1. I thought Calvin’s believed in works not just faith to be saved? Not sure Now I have to look it up. Maybe someone better versed than I could let Argus and me know? Hugs

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