Frank, like Mel is another who has ditched ”Religion” to become a Jesus-Follower. He is a committed Trinitarian.
As the doctrine of the Trinity does not feature in the bible and was never even mentioned by Jesus, Frank seemed a little upset when I mentioned that this doctrine is a Church Construct,often believed to be the answer to the supposed heresy of Arianism, and took a long time to formalize.
This strikes me as hypocritical in the extreme; to reject formal religion yet accept one its central tenets.

Would one of my knowledgeable former Christian readers please pop over to Frank’s and explain this to him as he has decided to delete any of my comments pertaining to the rest of this discussion.

Frank's Cottage

When I first encountered this atheist graphic, I experienced a moment of heart sickness because there are Christians out there who actually think like this.

I see this kind of horrific mindset every time someone who claims to follow Jesus Christ (whom serious Christians believe is the divine Son of God) almost gleefully tells gay people or atheist people that they’re going to burn in hell.

it’s almost as if they think God WANTS some people to burn. Not only is that a sickening thought, it’s also wrong, wrong, wrong.

Here’s the truth, according to the Bible:

  • God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost, but have eternal life. (That’s from a section called ‘John’, one of four accounts of Jesus’ physical life on earth.)
  • God is being patient with you. He doesn’t want anyone…

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      1. The message (I slaughtered my only son because I love you so much) is morbid and psychopathic, and Christians are so indoctrinated to see this as an act of love, that they don’t realize just how sick this message is.

        Also, your buddy, Frank, is fulla bulla. Not religious, my arse.

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        1. Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. Though Franks family are not so inclined if I read him right, according to one of his early posts.
          The ”I am not religious” line is a common theme among those who claim to be Jesus Followers”. Even Mel is an ”ordained” Pastor.
          Perhaps they all meet in a pub rather than a church?

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  1. He’s right. You don’t have to understand any of it to believe it which makes it rather odd that he believes he understands “some” things apparently, therefore expounds on them. That the Trinity is not his mandate? Odd indeed.

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  2. Well Ark, here goes my attempt with Frank. Ugh. :/

    After some 27-years of asking, discussing, and dealing with evangelical fundamental (non-demoninational) Xians, I’ve narrowed down my 3-5 basic questions I always ask them, which soon illuminates their awful predicament. At your encouragement Sir, here’s what I asked Frank:

    Are you interested? Yes or no, post your thoughts below…

    Hi Frank. To answer that question, “not really interested.” Why? Because for several decades now I have not been able to get clear, straight answers, consensus answers, for my THREE simple primary questions, from all the many (thousands of?) various “Christian” church-staff, ministers or priests, bishops, deacons, elders, evangelists, missionaries, etc, etc, et al, I have repeatedly asked. Which has always bothered me: Why isn’t there just one single church or group of Jesus-followers called, for example, “The Way” like they were called in the 1st and 2nd century CE? ONE CHURCH, one simple message/creed would be so, so, SO EASY!

    My other two simple questions?

    #2 — How specifically does God speak to YOU? And…

    #3 — How do you know John 14:6 is unequivocally true?

    But alas, after 2,000+ years, there is STILL no consensus, no unity in Christianity. If anything there is only MORE division, more confusion, more every imaginable different churches and messages/creeds/doctrines everywhere around the globe. 😦


    I don’t anticipate this to be too productive. LOL 😛

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      1. Hahahaha!!! Ark, the ONLY WAY you’re going to win their hearts is if you have bloody nail-holes in your wrists/palms, in your feet/ankles, and a crown-of-thorns! Nope, hate to tell ya, but your hairstyle (I’m guessing) is NOT long, wavey brown with glowing eyes and a sparkling aura around your skull. 😉

        Seriously though, your questions, your honest challenges cause way too much discomfort. Why? My first guess is because they’re scared SHITLESS of Satan. 😈 (gives loud evil maniacal laugh!)

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        1. For me it illustrates perfectly the power of indoctrination and in some respects it is quite sad and a damning indictment of religion in general. And, believe it not, I do feel sorry for such people.
          Initially, I always ask straightforward questions and I only get cheesed when I am fobbed off with some ridiculous answer that assumes I am out of touch with reality and obviously ”still in sin” …. but Jesus can help.
          That tends to rub me up the wrong way a little,

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          1. I can completely empathize Ark. Just imagine if you, me, and most of the world were constantly told…

            “NO! You cannot eat anything other than vanilla ice cream! You cannot drive anything except a Hyundai Accent (well, in the U.S. a Mercedes Benz! 😉 ). Or you cannot shop ANYWHERE except Walmart!”

            And yet, when one looks at and examines broadly the endless diversity both in Nature and in peoples, and dare I say Christianity(?), what becomes glaringly obvious?


            1. “NO! You cannot eat anything other than vanilla ice cream! You cannot drive anything except a Hyundai Accent (well, in the U.S. a Mercedes Benz!

              You mean they would take away my Alpha Romeo? They wouldn’t dare!!!!!

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                  1. OH MY STARS Ark!!! Are you implying there can only be ONE great saving goalkeeper!? NO WAY! 😉 (wants to play along with Ark’s fabulous analogy!)

                    Since 1978 I’ve been watching goalkeepers like a hawk/falcon and I am here to tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt… there is and never has been and never will be… just ONE great saving goalkeeper! The talents and skills are always changing, always EVOLVING. 😀

                    Btw, Frank answered my questions to him. Nothing at all unique in his answers.

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    1. Professor when I called myself a Christian it puzzled me how ‘God’ seemed to give inconsistent messages, at least based on what people said what ‘God’ told them. I also puzzled how this message changed over the centuries.

      It was only after I deconverted that I could accept that the church understanding of what ‘God’ was saying reflected very much the prevailing culture of the society, which explained how much the church changed over time.

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      1. A wise and perceptive realization Peter. Well done. In fact, you are reflecting even what Emperor Constantine and his northern Imperial Greco-Roman cardinals recognized: if the Empire is to socially politically survive and have order, then we [Romans] must twist this popular prevailing “welfare system” called The Way, or Christianity, to benefit the Empire and the Emperor. So they made it the official imperially sanctioned religion. The rest is history. It really has nothing to do with a God’s omnipotence as it does with the backing of one of the world’s greatest wealthiest empires in all of history.

        As they say, “the Victors always write history” and apparently “the truth” as well. 😉


                1. You are a dirty rotten scoundrel, Mister Z ! You do know that you will have to explain yourself to Yahweh when the time comes, right? It must be true, cos Frank says so, and he guarantees it will not go well..

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                    1. If you are playing Dr Evil there seems to be an inherent prerequisite that you must have a least a large fluffy white cat on your lap. It is a narrative necessity.


  3. When I called myself Christian the term ‘religious’ was used a pejorative against folk who were seen as being focussed more on the ‘ritual’ than the ‘spirit’ of religion. So ‘religious’ people were seen as being legalistic in their approach to religion.

    To an outsider it is a nonsense, but to the insider it is a very real distinction and there is no hypocrisy involved. I think the problem is that when talking to the outsider the term ‘religious’ should be replaced by ‘legalistic’ then their position would make more sense.

    It is a bit like the situation in a previous generation when some Christians called themselves ‘born again’ to distinguish themselves from what they saw as cultural Christians.

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  4. Frank is being selective on his interpretation or comprehension.
    Jn 3:16 excludes those who don’t believe. So Jesus didn’t come for everyone. And he can’t say we have a choice to believe or not believe. If that were the case, that verse would be useless.

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    1. They all cherry-pick to fit in with their own agenda. They are not truly ”Christians” as Jesus ( or at least the character in the book) is as far removed from Christianity as a Bull is from a Duck.


  5. I don’t understand these believers. On the one hand, god died for our sins. That means there was a time god was dead and nothing stopped. So god is not necessary for life to continue.
    Two if god already died for our sins, isn’t that not like an insurance cover. We can sin all we want, the price has been paid?

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    1. mak the Christian response would be:
      1) because God is a Trinity, only one third died ; and
      2) as to going on sinning well there is a passage that addresses that:
      ‘If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.’ (Hebrews 10:26-31)

      Theologically there is significant debate as to when this warning would actually apply.


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